History ,and fate,has never been kind to those who find themselfs being ruled by those who fools and tyrants.I spend a lot of time now wondering how this will end for us...In a bright nucular flash,a sudden economic meltdown that lets us witness what has usually happened to a culture who forgets where food comes from,and visits starvation....or if by some astonishing stroke of luck we transition to a mature,stable civil society.If we beat the stacked deck...it will be from the net,and the true democracy that can flower from it We have come so close to the golden ring this time,it breaks my heart to imagine what we could become...If only
Well done, Dark Wraith. I too find the situation deplorable - for a number of reasons. I have been quite angry with Senator Edwards - but as Melissa has asked that he not be blamed - I will bow to her request. When I first wrote about this, I focused on the hit squads concentrating their abuse on not only Melissa and Amanda - but almost every progressive blog they could publish a comment on. I found their seeming organization troubling. It seemed coordinated - and that smacks of preparation. How did they know this was going to happen? Who gave them a heads up? Call me paranoid - but those attacks came fast and furious. And the sheer amount! My god – there were literally thousands! How did they know where to go, what to say? I read some of these emails – there was a thread of commonality in many of them. And talk about some scary shit! Also - as Melissa pointed out - the next step would surely have been publication of her and her family’s personal information across the internet. Considering the tenor of the threats she weathered (and is still weathering) I'd say she has good reason for concern.
So what do we do about this? It simply is not in the nature of progressive bloggers to graphically threaten obscene violence. Of course there is a fringe element; but it really is fringe, meaning few and far between. Not that I’d advocate doing to any right-wing blogger what was done to Melissa. It’s abhorrent. But that begs the question – what the hell do we do about this? Melissa’s still getting threats. It hasn’t gone away. Maddened by blood in the water – the right-wing hit squads have been emboldened. It all has to be stopped – but how? What do we do, Dark Wraith? Have you any suggestions? ‘Cause I think it must be addressed; otherwise the very real danger all this poses will grow. I confess – I am at a complete loss. Outside of the lot of us arming ourselves against direct threats……I mean - can these people be rooted out and sued? Why won’t the FBI do something? They found the asshole who threatened Olbermann. Can’t they find those who threatened Melissa and throw their asses in jail as well? I have real-time reasons for concern here – which I won’t get into in such a public forum. This is a discussion I have been having lately - what to do. If this is not stopped right here and now – a lot of important voices will be silenced – and we’d all be the poorer for it.
If ever I were to post a side panel quoting compliments for what I do, I would put your comment that my lecture is "like Malcolm X meets economics" as the leader quote.
Now, as far as your better half is concerned, that mess hits a deep chord with me: some years back, my life was nearly wrecked by malevolent types who used the Internet to try to destroy me. I survived, but the experience materially—and, in no small way, adversely—changed my life. In my quiet hours, I still wonder how much I have only myself to blame for the array of enemies I gathered unto myself in various forums, even though I know on another level that my actions were rightful, if harmful to others' interests, and my words were honest, if strong and firey. It is with those ghosts that I still do occasional battle even to this day; but it is in the shadows and the corners here, only rarely being evident to anyone else. Old wars do not end, sometimes not even when those who prosecuted them die.
For many progressive voices of the current era, this new breed of online, Right-wing zealots is an extraordinary problem: at their hearts, these locusts are cowards. Melissa is a good woman; and despite her sometimes fierce words, those fiends knew that—they knew it: they knew they could hurt her with impunity, not because she is weak, but because she is good and decent.
There is a way to stop this, though, Mr. Shakes. As with all wars (both just and unjust), it will not be easy, and at first, it will not appear to be successful; but the way from the Hell of these locusts does exist; and unless we are willing to engage that war these malevolent forces started, we shall surely, if slowly, lose our right to speak our minds, which is our greatest weapon against the abyss of authoritarian rule.
The Dark Wraith will address the matter in more depth at another time.
"The Dark Wraith will be in another part of the galaxy if anyone needs him."
Are you being Sirius? If so, pass the word along to any help that might be on the way that at least one human down here, in the absence of prevailing, would merely like to cope. That's cope, not tope. I tried toping, and it was ineffective.
For those of you familiar with the works of Joe Bageant, word has it that he's moved to Belize.
once again, way too sleepy to say much. I like, but I hope that is not how you really make a fist - you're likely to get your thumb jambed back that way. hey, if you set up a training camp, It would be my pleasure to teach you (and everyone else) how to kick thug ass.
Dennis Perrin has some thoughts on this topic. Because of his blogging, he's having trouble finding work these days. He's gone from being a writer to being a janitor.
http://redstateson.blogspot.com/
Talk radio hosts, specifically SEan Hannity and Rush Limbaugh take time to rally the troops on the air and encourage their listeners to fight on the internet.
Its not the right things to do, but people are dumb enough to do it.
If someone has the time and energy to fight for the war on the internet, then they could be in Iraq, proving the convictions of their beliefs. The fact that they are too cowardly to do so, only proves that at heart, their convictions are a lie.
Seeina as how I am connected to the web (them internets) with a streched piece of 259 lb nylon staging, a shirt button and a 5 lb coffee can, I have difficulty watching the vids. But this is a hoot!
Quoth the Dark Wraith:
"It is indeed a shame that we have here in the United States a small group of fundamentalists who feel that they are persecuted for their religious beliefs and are thereby justified in whatever they do to fight their persecutors. Were our latter-day martyrs to tell their sad tale to Christians of the early Roman Empire, those believers of that time would certainly sympathize.
More likely, though, they'd laugh until they fell off their crosses."
Send me an e-mail message with your address, and I shall send you a CD burn of the four-part "Origins of the Discipline." I had been planning to sell CDs of the series online, but I don't think that's going to happen. I still want to make the lecture accessible, so just contact me, and you'll get your own copy.
"...the triviality of whether or not I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby will be convicted for lying to a federal prosecutor. Whichever way the jury decides, that will pretty much be the end of the entire matter." Dark Wraith
Presupposing he is found guilty, I then anticipate the questions here and there of whether he will receive a pardon. Do you suppose if Libby says to bush, "Please don't kill me", bush will find it in the goodness of his heart to spare him?
there's some real "will he or won't he" stuff around the pardon. i have no prediction either way. he could do it just to show "fuck you, i'm still preznittin' here" or he could have a bloodshot eye on the polls and realize that it would be the real bitter end of everything if he did a pardon.
My guessing is that Bush won't pardon Libby. On a technical level, if he were to do so, Libby would have no Fifth Amendement right against self-incrimination in any possible, subsequent prosecutions of others.
Besides, at least some rumors have it that Libby has already received his payment for three years of service at the Elgin AFB Club Fed. Whether or not that's true, his defense was gruesomely and suspiciously lame compared to the slash-and-burn his lawyers could have made by dragging Rove and Cheney to the witness stand.
We'll see, though.
The Dark Wraith should probably set up a betting pool for this deal.
I have watched the live blogging of the trial at firedoglake.The feeling many have is libby is going down,and the sealed inditement is for cheny if fitz can flip libby...and hopfully stop ww3 from starting
I float{lurk} the shakes place for savey commentary...the flack that came their way looked way too organized,and flat Mean not to have its roots in some deep winger shittank.It sickens me to see the bright light like the shakes dimmed by this spew.
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History ,and fate,has never been kind to those who find themselfs being ruled by those who fools and tyrants.I spend a lot of time now wondering how this will end for us...In a bright nucular flash,a sudden economic meltdown that lets us witness what has usually happened to a culture who forgets where food comes from,and visits starvation....or if by some astonishing stroke of luck we transition to a mature,stable civil society.If we beat the stacked deck...it will be from the net,and the true democracy that can flower from it
We have come so close to the golden ring this time,it breaks my heart to imagine what we could become...If only
Well done, Dark Wraith. I too find the situation deplorable - for a number of reasons. I have been quite angry with Senator Edwards - but as Melissa has asked that he not be blamed - I will bow to her request. When I first wrote about this, I focused on the hit squads concentrating their abuse on not only Melissa and Amanda - but almost every progressive blog they could publish a comment on. I found their seeming organization troubling. It seemed coordinated - and that smacks of preparation. How did they know this was going to happen? Who gave them a heads up? Call me paranoid - but those attacks came fast and furious. And the sheer amount! My god – there were literally thousands! How did they know where to go, what to say? I read some of these emails – there was a thread of commonality in many of them. And talk about some scary shit! Also - as Melissa pointed out - the next step would surely have been publication of her and her family’s personal information across the internet. Considering the tenor of the threats she weathered (and is still weathering) I'd say she has good reason for concern.
So what do we do about this? It simply is not in the nature of progressive bloggers to graphically threaten obscene violence. Of course there is a fringe element; but it really is fringe, meaning few and far between. Not that I’d advocate doing to any right-wing blogger what was done to Melissa. It’s abhorrent. But that begs the question – what the hell do we do about this? Melissa’s still getting threats. It hasn’t gone away. Maddened by blood in the water – the right-wing hit squads have been emboldened. It all has to be stopped – but how? What do we do, Dark Wraith? Have you any suggestions? ‘Cause I think it must be addressed; otherwise the very real danger all this poses will grow. I confess – I am at a complete loss. Outside of the lot of us arming ourselves against direct threats……I mean - can these people be rooted out and sued? Why won’t the FBI do something? They found the asshole who threatened Olbermann. Can’t they find those who threatened Melissa and throw their asses in jail as well? I have real-time reasons for concern here – which I won’t get into in such a public forum. This is a discussion I have been having lately - what to do. If this is not stopped right here and now – a lot of important voices will be silenced – and we’d all be the poorer for it.
Good evening, Dark Wraith.
And thank you for supporting Melissa. I will be sure to let her know that you have posted this.
I am enjoying listening to your lecture, btw. It's like Malcolm X meets economics!
Good morning, Mr. Shakes.
If ever I were to post a side panel quoting compliments for what I do, I would put your comment that my lecture is "like Malcolm X meets economics" as the leader quote.
Now, as far as your better half is concerned, that mess hits a deep chord with me: some years back, my life was nearly wrecked by malevolent types who used the Internet to try to destroy me. I survived, but the experience materially—and, in no small way, adversely—changed my life. In my quiet hours, I still wonder how much I have only myself to blame for the array of enemies I gathered unto myself in various forums, even though I know on another level that my actions were rightful, if harmful to others' interests, and my words were honest, if strong and firey. It is with those ghosts that I still do occasional battle even to this day; but it is in the shadows and the corners here, only rarely being evident to anyone else. Old wars do not end, sometimes not even when those who prosecuted them die.
For many progressive voices of the current era, this new breed of online, Right-wing zealots is an extraordinary problem: at their hearts, these locusts are cowards. Melissa is a good woman; and despite her sometimes fierce words, those fiends knew that—they knew it: they knew they could hurt her with impunity, not because she is weak, but because she is good and decent.
There is a way to stop this, though, Mr. Shakes. As with all wars (both just and unjust), it will not be easy, and at first, it will not appear to be successful; but the way from the Hell of these locusts does exist; and unless we are willing to engage that war these malevolent forces started, we shall surely, if slowly, lose our right to speak our minds, which is our greatest weapon against the abyss of authoritarian rule.
The Dark Wraith will address the matter in more depth at another time.
Thank you, Dark Wraith.
Many, many thanks.
And now, if you'll excuse me, I must address the breakdown in communication at Shakes Manor that left me to discover this on my Bloglines.
Why I oughtta...
The Dark Wraith will be in another part of the galaxy if anyone needs him.
"The Dark Wraith will be in another part of the galaxy if anyone needs him."
Are you being Sirius? If so, pass the word along to any help that might be on the way that at least one human down here, in the absence of prevailing, would merely like to cope. That's cope, not tope. I tried toping, and it was ineffective.
For those of you familiar with the works of Joe Bageant, word has it that he's moved to Belize.
Seems like there's a lotta folks "leavin' town". If others take that route I hope they don't expect an easy time of it trying to get back in without a passport though.
PoLT,
"Seems like there's a lotta folks "leavin' town"...
Goodtime Charlie's got the Blues...
once again, way too sleepy to say much. I like, but I hope that is not how you really make a fist - you're likely to get your thumb jambed back that way. hey, if you set up a training camp, It would be my pleasure to teach you (and everyone else) how to kick thug ass.
Best Regards,
rcg
Dennis Perrin has some thoughts on this topic. Because of his blogging, he's having trouble finding work these days. He's gone from being a writer to being a janitor.
http://redstateson.blogspot.com/
Talk radio hosts, specifically SEan Hannity and Rush Limbaugh take time to rally the troops on the air and encourage their listeners to fight on the internet.
Its not the right things to do, but people are dumb enough to do it.
If someone has the time and energy to fight for the war on the internet, then they could be in Iraq, proving the convictions of their beliefs. The fact that they are too cowardly to do so, only proves that at heart, their convictions are a lie.
Seeina as how I am connected to the web (them internets) with a streched piece of 259 lb nylon staging, a shirt button and a 5 lb coffee can, I have difficulty watching the vids. But this is a hoot!
Quoth the Dark Wraith:
"It is indeed a shame that we have here in the United States a small group of fundamentalists who feel that they are persecuted for their religious beliefs and are thereby justified in whatever they do to fight their persecutors. Were our latter-day martyrs to tell their sad tale to Christians of the early Roman Empire, those believers of that time would certainly sympathize.
More likely, though, they'd laugh until they fell off their crosses."
Ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth!
Good morning, blackdog.
Send me an e-mail message with your address, and I shall send you a CD burn of the four-part "Origins of the Discipline." I had been planning to sell CDs of the series online, but I don't think that's going to happen. I still want to make the lecture accessible, so just contact me, and you'll get your own copy.
The Dark Wraith lights the burner.
"...the triviality of whether or not I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby will be convicted for lying to a federal prosecutor. Whichever way the jury decides, that will pretty much be the end of the entire matter." Dark Wraith
Presupposing he is found guilty, I then anticipate the questions here and there of whether he will receive a pardon. Do you suppose if Libby says to bush, "Please don't kill me", bush will find it in the goodness of his heart to spare him?
there's some real "will he or won't he" stuff around the pardon. i have no prediction either way. he could do it just to show "fuck you, i'm still preznittin' here" or he could have a bloodshot eye on the polls and realize that it would be the real bitter end of everything if he did a pardon.
Good evening, Minstrel Boy.
My guessing is that Bush won't pardon Libby. On a technical level, if he were to do so, Libby would have no Fifth Amendement right against self-incrimination in any possible, subsequent prosecutions of others.
Besides, at least some rumors have it that Libby has already received his payment for three years of service at the Elgin AFB Club Fed. Whether or not that's true, his defense was gruesomely and suspiciously lame compared to the slash-and-burn his lawyers could have made by dragging Rove and Cheney to the witness stand.
We'll see, though.
The Dark Wraith should probably set up a betting pool for this deal.
I have watched the live blogging of the trial at firedoglake.The feeling many have is libby is going down,and the sealed inditement is for cheny if fitz can flip libby...and hopfully stop ww3 from starting
I float{lurk} the shakes place for savey commentary...the flack that came their way looked way too organized,and flat Mean not to have its roots in some deep winger shittank.It sickens me to see the bright light like the shakes dimmed by this spew.