Special Analysis:
On "Troop Redeployment"
Although a swift and total departure would, in many ways, be desirable, both Minstrel Boy of Harp and Sword and I have commented on the historically well-documented potential of full-scale withdrawals for wholesale slaughter of the retreating troops. The idea that technology, force size, or any combination of those and other factors can materially affect what is evidently a persistent military phenomenon is dangerous when operationalized as the extent and substance of an overall exit strategy.
It was the neo-conservatives who believed that they could get away with and be successful in defying the body of war knowledge and the grave advice of the prosecutors of war, and they have been proven disastrously wrong. That is a cautionary tale for any military planner of any stripe in considering the odds of having military history not rear its obstinate head in a modern armed conflict.
As random, capricious, and senseless as war seems, it is a process subject to laws, principles, axioms, and theorems that are, in any given nation in any given era, at best only partially understood. To dispense with the precious shards of genuine near-certitude we possess is to walk a road to ruinor, more to the point, to run a highway of redeployment to wreckage.
Full-scale retreatand that's what we're talking about hereis very likely to result in a swift, appalling loss of life, both to American soldiers running the killing box corridors out of Iraq and to large numbers of non-combatants in the path of their flight.
Troops can withdraw in an orderly manner; but when they begin to panic under hit-and-run raid after bloody, hit-and-run raid upon their flanks and rearespecially with so many new American boots being pushed into the Iraqi sands by Mr. Bush's new "surge and accelerate" planpanic will blow in, and that will set the stage for the bloodbath of a rout. Order and discipline evaporate into the overwhelming heat of desperation for survival, and the shattering columns become so many individuals waiting their turns to die, even as they furiously, then blindly, spray the land and sky with what remains of their ordnance.
No, we will not bug out of Iraq. The same generals who are now being set aside by Mr. Bush because they diplomatically tried to disabuse him of his "New Way Forward" initiative would have been the commanders steadfastly rejecting a wholesale pull-out of American troops, and such stance would have had nothing to do with the consequential fate of the people of Iraq, but rather with the American soldiers, whose security and safety take precedence over local concerns in matters of troop movements.
Mr. Bush is going to get his wish: we'll stay; and for now, not only will we stay, but he will escalate this American-Iraqi War.
And the Democrats will not cut off funding for the war. They're not quite so naïve, knowing as they do that, if they were to deny funds for military operations in Iraq, the very first people to suffer would be the GIs on the ground there. Right now, the Commander-in-Chief has lost the support of the soldiers, and that is extraordinary. But if that same Commander-in-Chief, a man given to straw man arguments anyway, is handed a rallying cry that his hands have been tied by the Democrats, those same troops who now disrespect him will turn ugly really fast, and their wrath will not be directed at their leader, but instead at the politicians who were obviously responsible for taking away their bullets and chow.
But far, far worse than that prospect is this: take away materiel and even food from a massive, in-field force of soldiers, and that force could easily, in the virtual blink of a news cycle, turn into the single most frightening beast that nature can muster from the howling depths of humanity at its worst. Strangle the Pentagon, and the Pentagon will pass the garrote right down to the GIs cooking in their miserable tents. Make those troops suffer like that and watch them turn into one giant pack of starving wolves. You want atrocities? You haven't seen atrocities like those committed by trained, desperate men with rifles and knives.
No, we'll stay in Iraq. We'll stay until we're bloodied beyond recognition of our hubris, beyond recognition of our preeminence, beyond recognition of our once unquestioned status as the leader of the free world; and then we shall leave. We shall leave, not when we want to, not when we need to, not when we've had enough, but instead when we are no longer relevant to the history of the future of Iraq and perhaps no longer greatly relevant even to the history of the future of places far from that awful land.
We may then come home to do our soul searching, our national finger-pointing, and our collective denial of that which we did and that which we would have done again were this not to have been our death knell as Empire.
The Dark Wraith has spoken.
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The key would seem to be the idea of desperation, that will force any animal into arenas that it would not normally inhabit.
These republicunt desperate bastards. They could be the ruin of all of us. And to think we used to have gentlemen like Ford and Rockefeller.
a) As Kucinich says, the money is already in the pipeline to "redeploy" the troops so even if Congress were to cut off funding RIGHT NOW the GI's would not suffer in any immediacy.
b) I am not so sure that U.S. Soldiers would suffer any "slaughtering" during retreat. I think, given our technologies and tactics, we would be able to exit Iraq with minor loss of G.I. life IF commanders on the ground are allowed to plan and prosecute such an Exodus.
However, the minute the bonehead pencilnecks get involved, yes it could well lead to some loss of life.
c) Sure Iraqis will die if we pull out. Iraqis will die if we stay. I fail to understand the concern some have for the Iraqis all of a sudden. Many who say "if we leave it will be a blood bath" also say "kill all the towel heads, let Allah sort them out". I mean, we've killed and/or been responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Why feign concern now?
Needless to say I am on the side of getting out of Iraq NOW. And while my anwers are oversimplified, it seems a comment on a blog post is not worthy of a long treatise on the matter.
I would remind people however that we went through this type of handwringing during Vietnam. It was predicted that as soon as we left there would be a blood bath and/or China would invade. That was +/- 1968
We could have left then and saved 20,000+ American Lives. But we didn't. We put off the inevitable. Sooner or later we were going to leave. Sooner or later there would be a blood bath and China would invade. Well, China got their ass kicked and the bloodbath occured in Cambodia which Vietnam eventually invaded to stop.
We can leave Iraq now or we can leave Iraq 10 years from now. The difference will be the number of U.S. Soldiers KIA and injured.
Is it worth staying? What for? The only real reasons to stay is to further the NeoCon imperealistic visions of having a military footprint in the Middle East to protect Israel and the last of the Oil Reserves.
Is it worth staying over that or would we be better served developing alternatives to oil?
Good evening, PoliShifter.
You are correct that the issue of Iraqis killing Iraqis is separate from the matter of our presence. I have seen that argument about how, if we leave, Iraq will go to Hell in a handbasket, and all I can think to myself is, "That place is already beyond a handbasket; it's now a basket case."
And besides, the whole Iraqis-killing-Iraqis issue is moot: in my judgment, Iraq exists no more as a meaningful, sovereign state. We are supporting a corpse created by the West long ago and then killed by the United States with the deposing of Saddam Hussein. Evidently (and I've made this point before), he was the only person in this era who knew how to keep it together. Now that we've killed him, we've got nothing.
George W. Bush as the Great White Sheik of Iraq? Yeah, right.
I shall probably write about this extensively at a later time, but I think I know one of the most important lynchpins that, if it gets pulled, will free us: it's the tangle of unbelievably lucrative financial prospects Iraq has to offer the Western (not just American, mind you) corporations playing their hand with Bush's cronies, backers, and enablers. If the Democrats really do drag those slugs into congressional hearings, and then follow up with referrals to the Justice Department for widespread, serious prosecutions, you're going to see the risk factor in those corporations' calculus of gain shift markedly and quite suddenly.
In my judgment, that's when the invisible glue that's holding us hostage to this miserable situation will start to come undone. As it stands right now, though, there's way too much money to be made for this war to end quickly.
That aside, though, the issue of pullout greatly informs my determination of what the generals are going to do. I strongly suspect—in fact, I'm pretty darned sure—many important people in the military know that this war has depleted the nation's overall military readiness, and military people steeped in dedication to their country are not the kind who want that kind of situation. By continuing this war, they are going more and more directly against very basic tenets of a good soldier's ways of fulfilling his duty to his nation. So when those field commanders say they oppose a rapid pullout, especially when they say it at this time, I read that as the words of warriors who know very well that we need to get out of Iraq, but also know that it's not going to be easy, soon, or pretty.
I do, however, believe that those calling for immediate withdrawal are absolutely essential to the debate. We simply cannot have the voices of the idiots on the Far Right continue their screeching without countervailing voices ripping right back at them and their insanity.
And when this madness of war is over, we need to make sure that this country never, ever forgets those who shrieked so long and so loudly for what came to be a total disaster. It's hard enough for me to contain and move on from my impatience with the Democrats who initially voted for this war; but I'll be darned if I'm ever going to let the likes of the Right-wing pundits, the so-called "conservative" Republicans, and the mainstream media ever move on, re-invent themselves, or far worse, someday re-write the history of this fiasco. Cripe, PoliShifter, I almost can't believe large numbers of people even consider Republicans as viable candidates for office, considering what they've done to this country.
Then again, maybe the American people just forget little things. Sort of like how many of them I know who seem to have forgotten how rah-rah they were about the prospects of blasting our way to cheap oil five years ago.
Funny how people's memories work.
The Dark Wraith sometimes enjoys reminding them of their former love affair with death, destruction, and greed.
(Repost from about a year or so ago):
"When you're up to ass in alligators, sometimes it's difficult to remember that your prime directive was to drain the swamp."
Good Morning Dark Wraith:
One of the most disgusting things about this Iraq debacle is the profiteering. Profit taking, outright looting, and their cousins of "supplying the troops" have always been part and parcel of war. North Carolina pushes for a United States Navy, because they had huge stands of pine for timber and tar. New York and Pennsylvania have surpluses of wheat and beer so the idea of a standing army becomes more attractive. If you can make ingenious boats for landings like Mr. Higgins did, we won't even begrudge you a tidy fortune. It's only fair. But when companies with close ties to the administration get no-bid, wildly inflated contracts and then begin to operate with little or no oversight it becomes odious. Caesar founded his fortune by selling the slaves from his Gallic campaign to the Syrians and Persians. The thing was Caesar delivered. The Vice President's company's record of mismanaged mess halls, medical evacuation teams that refuse to fly, trucks that won't run, services that aren't provided all happening while the folks who started this whole mess are getting wildly and safely enriched is disgusting. I hope there are some subpoenas in the works. The Army Quartermaster Corps has been gutted and turned back over to the very people it was created to counter act. As long as Presidents and their cronies can start a war, bungle it all to hell, lose shamefully and miserably, and walk away far richer than when they began, we will know no peace.
DW, I think for the first time, I am in disagreement with you because what you are proposing is to give them more time. And "six more months" never happens. It only leads to pleas and demands for "six more months" from a leadership that you know has no intention of getting out. I think we must demand an immediate withdrawal while settling for a planned quick withdrawal and perhaps also a coordinated replacement with UN troops, if possible. Also, if we cannot get that, then the funds must be cut off, or we will still be there years from now. And how many troops will die over those years? Sure, the troops may resent cutting off the funds, but it can be done as it wouldn't be the first time that congress has done it. Whatever we do it's gonna hurt. Staying will also allow an ongoing international crime to continue (i.e. illegal occupation and theft of another nations resources). Which is just one of them many additional reasons to get out. Anyhow, something must be done...the "splinter must be pulled out".
Well that's my two cents and I am curious to see how the DW responds to someone who disagrees with him. ;-)
Minstrel Boy, are you familiar with the etymology of "shoddy"?
- oddjob (who also loathes profiteering)
Good afternoon, rcg.
Unfortunately, we're not in particular disagreement. I am most decidedly not suggesting that we give them more time: giving them more time is just giving ourselves more dead GIs.
No matter what we do, we don't get to end this nightmare. It has to play itself out, but we have to be in the play demanding an end to the war if it's ever going to come to a close.
As far as the troops are concerned, I encourage you to take my word that the characterization of "resentment" by troops is in a whole different universe from what would really happen.
What I'm trying to convey in the article, rcg, is that more than the will of men is now involved: the neo-cons have loosed a physical process—a monster, if you will—that has its own rules we must recognize before we have any hope of bringing it under control and then killing it.
Military history is replete with examples of ill-advised adventures that ended in disaster. That history is also replete with examples of nations, leaders, and military commanders who finally came to grasp their folly only to cause even greater disaster by losing sight of their training and discipline in extricating themselves.
To be brutally honest, rcg, we need to find enough countries seeking calculated or fool-hardy opportunity that we can sucker into Iraq to cover our exit.
Iran and Saudi Arabia are deserving of that honor on all counts, even though both will present their own problems for us as a result of serving as our shields as we get out of there.
But any way we cut it, we simply have to maintain what in the military is called "order and discipline" as we withdraw. Losing that is the surest way to a horrendous rout, as has been the case time and time again when nations tried to check out before they'd paid their dues sufficiently.
And one final thought, just to reiterate what I wrote in my response to PoliShifter. We need our Congress to put the war profiteers' feet to the fire so hard they smell the fat burning, and that needs to happen right away. Mark my word, rcg, the next round of this military insanity is right around the corner unless something is done to take the profit out of war profiteering.
The Dark Wraith trusts that he doesn't need to be any more specific about what military nightmare is in the hopper for our War President's delight.
Carpetbaggers!!
We needed to get out three years ago! The time to go was the day after we pulled down the statue. (not that I care about the statue, but that was before we completely fucked it up over there... if you can say that Shock and Awe didn't fubar the place.
That said, Do we really want DUHbya in charge of the withdrawl? He's messed up every single thing he's ever been involved with. HE's going to get 110,000 civilians and 150,000 troops out of Iraq without it becoming a rout? Maybe less will die if we wait until he moves out of the WH.
Good Afternoon Dark Wraith:
The idea that U.N. troops or the forces from another country, not contiguous to Iraq would be able to provide anything but alternative targets is just silly. The notion that troops from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and yes, even Russia moving in to cover our retreat has been given serious consideration. The idea is that they would be able to "keep each other honest" while keeping the militia elements under a small measure of control as we slink away. It too is a fantasy. We are seeing the death throes of empire here. Except these are the final convulsions of the Ottoman and British empires. With the Ottoman collapse at the end of WWI the British thought they could easily fill the vacuum. They were driven out in five short bloody years. They installed a "king" as they left and created the map of the region that is currently disintegrating.
Unfortunately the new map appears to be the sort that will only be drawn by the locals, in the blood of their neighbors. I am burying myself in Xenophon's Anabasis again. It's a yearly thing I've done since high school. I keep my Burton translation handy for when my Greek falters.
p.s. if you want a clear, sober illustration of how a war can become its very own entity, surpassing and devouring all who try to contain and control it I recommend Thucydides The Peloponnesian War There is an excellent, annotated translation out by Robert B. Strassler called The Landmark Thucydides.
I still hold the opinion that if our leaders and their advisors had even a passing familiarity with the works of Xenophon, Thucydides, Ceasar, and the other Greek and Roman diarists and chroniclers we would not be in this mess.
Good afternoon, Minstrel Boy.
I picture Bush sitting on the john reading Thucydides (even in translation with colorful pictures), and I begin to laugh.
The neo-cons seem to have cultivated an aura about themselves of being highly educated individuals, but I strongly suspect otherwise. Anyone who would put an entire nation into a worn-out car that has no brakes and head down a mountain road simply must be a few fries short of a Happy Meal.
That, or they've read one too many science fiction books about flying cars.
One way or the other, were they to have gotten into the car by themselves, I would have no problem with the outcome. In fact, I might have videotaped it for an upcoming installment of Jackasses. Given, however, that they've put us all in the brakeless jalopy, the first thing we might want to do is toss them out with a rope attached to see if they could provide some drag on the careening death machine.
Considering how slippery they are, that probably wouldn't work, though.
But it's still worth a try, if you ask me.
The Dark Wraith thinks the next best thing is to tie them to the front bumper to see if they might soften the inevitable impact that will occur at the bottom of the hill.
Perfectly put, DW. The whole thing has been just breath-taking to me. How, how, how, how can you ostensibly be a well educated political scholar and be so ignorant of such obvious recurring historical themes?????
I mean...........
(Words. Just. Fail.......)
- oddjob
Slightly OT, but definitely related. Deborah Lipp has an insightful post up.
- oddjob
... It's hard enough for me to contain and move on from my impatience with the Democrats who initially voted for this war... ~Dark Wraith, 1/05/07 @ 1:21 AM
From Think Progress:
In Oct. 2003, 77 senators voted to give President Bush authorization to go to war in Iraq. Just 23 senators voted against it.
But according to a new ABC news survey, 33 out of the original 77 senators “indicated they would vote differently knowing then what they know now.” Five senators — including three Republicans — said that in retrospect, the intelligence was so wrong that the matter should never have even been brought to a vote. These results would mean that a vote to authorize war in Iraq today would be 43-57, and the resolution would fail. List of senators here.
Good Evening Dark Wraith:
aside to oddjob: as I recall shoddy was a reweaving process. Where bits and pieces of threads left over from more pricey garments were respun and woven again into whole other items. They tended to be much cheaper and became quite popular for manufacturing military uniforms which tended to fall apart quickly. I think it was a term that originated with the British army.
"To be brutally honest, rcg, we need to find enough countries seeking calculated or fool-hardy opportunity that we can sucker into Iraq to cover our exit."
That's a great idea, but I wont be holding my breath, lol.
"But any way we cut it, we simply have to maintain what in the military is called "order and discipline" as we withdraw."
Fine, then lets do that the best we can by giving the generals the order to plan the withdrawal and to begin implementing said withdrawal plan - right away. The generals already know how to do this and have ready made plans at hand to implement. They might be called the "WRTEP" - "withdrawal ready-to-eat plan".
"We need our Congress to put the war profiteers' feet to the fire so hard they smell the fat burning, and that needs to happen right away. Mark my word, rcg, the next round of this military insanity is right around the corner unless something is done to take the profit out of war profiteering."
Agreed!
The Dark Wraith trusts that he doesn't need to be any more specific about what military nightmare is in the hopper for our War President's delight.
yeah, I know, I know. *Sigh.
...thanks for being kind (as usual) in your excellent response to me. And please forgive me my lack of skill at being so eloquent or tactful. I do try. ;-)
I picture Bush sitting on the john...
That's the second time you've recently used the term john for a toilet. If my name were John I'd be offended at the lack of creativity. Sitting on the W and wiping your George is much more appropriate.
As far as this troop stuff goes, it's like throwing good money after bad (not that it was all good money to begin with, but that's another issue). I'd love to play poker against bush, the idiot would never fold and is a transparent bluffer.
Awright, Mr. Goat, let us descend.
A) George was sitting on the john.
B) George was straddling the pot.
C) George was pushing the playdough.
D) George was dropping some depth charges.
E) George was firing the fudge missile.
F) George was sqeezing the dinner roll.
G) George was laying lard.
H) George was loosening the logs.
I) George was issuing his next idea for a war.
...oh, wait a minute. He hasn't finished that last one yet.
The Dark Wraith should let George finish doing his business.
DW,
About I), isn't it Gannon's job to handle Bush's new ideas? Or is that Tony Snowjob's?
Kinda gives new meaning to "The Oval Office", eh?
The Dark Wraith should let George finish doing his business.
If enough people think like that, the Decider won't be ejected from office, will figure he's got a mandate and start annexing new territories in the Middle East.
Oh, wait ...
Good evening, jahf.
As long as George goes over and does the war himself, I've got no problem with it. Heck, I'd even send the boy some extra chow to keep him going while he's slogging through the sand in full combat gear.
I'm betting that he wouldn't survive his first encounter with a bunch of sand fleas.
Come to think of it, I'll bet the sand fleas wouldn't survive their first encounter with munching on his hide, either.
The Dark Wraith sees a solution to several problems of pestilence.
Bathroom humor?
From one of Stephen King's novels: A fellow takes a crosscountry motorcycle ride, stops somewhere to "leave a loaf", and notices the writing on the wall. It says,
"Here I sit
Cheeks a-flexin'
Giving birth
To another Texan."