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Economics: death is betterIt is a more or less unspoken rule among teachers: do not give students assignments that put other teachers on the spot. More than a few years ago, a veteran high school English teacher — I shall call him "Will" — told me about what happened once when he took a sick day. He provided a thorough lesson plan for each of his six classes so the substitute would have clear instructions and no worries about what to do in any of the classes. When Will returned to his teaching duties the next morning, he found a large, thick envelope stuffed in his mailbox in the administrative offices. On the envelope was a short note from the substitute explaining that he was 'uncomfortable' with teaching grammar, and he was 'unfamiliar' with the books the kids were reading in the lit classes; hence, instead of covering material to which he wouldn't do justice, he gave every student in each class an assignment to write two paragraphs during class time. The envelope full of papers to grade was the fruit of that exhausting day's work for the substitute. That was about 140 papers Will would have to read, correct, and grade; and that would be six classes in which he would be behind on the schedule. This was early in the time when the teachers coming out of colleges with certification to teach English were getting the first, full-blown shock wave of the pop academic airhead movement that "grammar is dead," and all we have to do is have kids write and write and write, and that through this writing and writing and writing, somehow, good writers will just pop up like oceans of daisies from the soil of semi-literacy fertilized by newly minted teachers who are, themselves, semi-literate.

Will vowed never again to be sick on a school day.

Moving on from that story about the terrible state of modern English education (which will play a minor role in what is to come, below), a new instructor at one of the colleges where I teach apparently gave her students the assignment of interviewing a professor about an important topic in the news. That meant a class of maybe 18 students would be running around, trying to find some hapless sap willing to carve out the time to write out answers to a series of questions submitted by someone who might not have enough background in the subject area to pose questions that even make sense, and it would mean doing this in the last several weeks of the Summer Semester, the term when courses are twice as long each day so that a normal, 16-week semester can be compressed into eight weeks. It would also mean that the instructor who gave students such an assignment was going to be the subject of what in academia we diplomatically call a "conversation" with her division chairman. That conversation will be short: advise your teacher that, if she ever pulls a stunt like that again, your entire division will be denied access to the leftover doughnuts from the faculty senate meetings.

I have not spent a whole lot of time on campus the past couple of weeks; I have to gear up for the monster course load this Fall, a schedule that spans two schools and courses ranging from microeconomics, macroeconomics, and finance, clear through to a night course in transcription and proofreading. I keep my office hours, and that's it. That means the occasional student who is not in one of my summer classes is probably not going to catch up with me except by accident or by concerted effort to track me down.

Much to my dismay, several in that other teacher's class did. By last week, having been rebuffed by every other professor who was not particularly stupid, those students were desperate to find someone — anyone — who was an "expert" in an area of current news interest.

What was I supposed to do, tell kids to go away? I can't do that. My conscience doesn't bother me if the students can't find me; but if they catch me, my conscience pins me to the wall.

I agreed to be interviewed, but I stipulated that I did not care for giving answers that needed considerable background explanation that would be difficult to provide to an unprepared audience, and I made it clear that I reserved the right to publish the questions posed, along with my responses.

Below is the product of one of those interviews. The subject is unemployment. Readers should be forewarned that I took each question at its face value, trying not to read into the sometimes muddled grammar more than I had to. A phenomenon I have seen with increasing frequency is students who pound out text without even the slightest effort to look at what they have just slapped together. They print out what they have written and hand it in, send it out as e-mail, or otherwise publish it through their online communities; and they just don't care about the quality, comprehensibility, or readability of what they are presenting to others. I used to see this quite a bit among bloggers, but it seems to me that it is not quite as prevalent anymore, especially since many of the weaker bloggers have vanished and at least some of the survivors have become more aware of message quality as integral to the message being conveyed.

I should mention that the student who wrote the interview questions that follow has been in college for several years, and she has taken my course in microeconomics. She is somewhat accustomed to my sometimes sharp responses, and she probably knows that I will not allow for a simple answer without at least making mention of related issues. She also knows very well that I do not suffer fools: as I recall, she sat near the back of the class and took on the faint hint of a fetal position when I would start raging about the blazing stupidity of economic policies during the Bush era.

With all of that in mind, below is the product of her interview with me.

    1) Is unemployment a big issue in U.S.A.? Why or why not?

  • It is obviously a "big" issue because the mainstream media routinely report work force-related statistics, the most prominent being the monthly national unemployment rate and the bi-weekly number of net job losses. Another set of statistics being reported with some degree of regularity right now is the state unemployment rates.

    While the importance of these statistics might be debated by conservatives and liberals, the numbers are a "big" issue because of two prevailing assumptions: first, that the national unemployment rate is a good measure of overall national economic vitality; and second, that a high national unemployment rate is an indicator of economic distress of citizens. To the first matter, the term "high unemployment rate" is relative: liberal economists have long held that there is a so-called "natural" unemployment rate, but we now understand that, even if there is some desirable level of unemployment, or some tendency of the unemployment rate to some long-term, equilibrium value, it might be dependent upon the era, and it might be a number we do not want to achieve until other numbers are in line with desired targets. To the second matter, economic misery translates at some point into political upheaval, as happens relatively peacefully from time to time in American history — for example, in 1932, in 1980, and in 2008 — and rather more violently in other places in the world from time to time.

    2) How unemployment rate should be reduced (in your opinion)? Or what are the ways more jobs should be created? (because of the bankruptcy in businesses people are losing more jobs)

  • Your question is too leading. Do not assume that I think the unemployment rate "should be reduced," at least not right away and not as a first priority; in fact, as painful as it is for people to be out of jobs right now, the longer the unemployment rate stays high, the longer we will postpone an inevitable, debilitated inflation spiral caused by years of outrageously malfeasant monetary policy conducted by the Federal Reserve, first in the later years of Alan Greenspan as Chairman, and then under the incompetent watch of Ben Bernanke and his fellow Federal Reserve Governors.

    The Congress of the United States, with full support and encouragement by the Obama Administration, has authorized the expenditure of $787 billion in economic stimulus, much of it to the direct or indirect purpose of creating jobs. Fortunately, this recession is deep enough to make such otherwise ridiculously expansive fiscal policy stimulus actually work fairly slowly, which should lead to a controlled, slow decrease in the unemployment rate over the next three to five years. If the Federal Reserve can be brought back to conducting monetary policy responsibly, and if the Congress and the President can successfully move past their deficit spending binge, we might have a chance to move into an era of healthy job growth, while draining out the incomprehensible overhang of liquidity before it turns into a raging inferno of inflation.

    In my judgment, will it work out that way? No. The Federal Reserve cannot be depoliticized, much less can it be brought back from utterly irresponsible monetary policy regimes. For its part, the Congress is not thinking about controlling the deficits; it is, instead, planning new, wildly out-of-control spending, while fantasizing that new taxes and tax structures, along with renewed, useless vows of spending control, will somehow make everything work out.

    As for the President, he is an institutional center-right leader. Some of his people are the very individuals who had a hand in making our economy such a mess. Far worse, regardless of what he says, his actions belie a belief that we can somehow return to a set of status quo ante assumptions that, in reality, are no longer operational. The lasting legacy of the era of George W. Bush is that the extremists of the Republican Party, who long ago had expressed the desire to "change government as we know it," did so. They wrecked entire groups of solutions that were attainable from the Clinton years; yet, Mr. Obama and his Democratic allies just keep plowing ahead as if the Bush years and the degraded nation we now have from that time never happened.

    Here's the reality. Keynesian policy relies upon a lag between economic recovery and the realization of wage gains by workers. The aggregate price level rising without contemporaneous increases in aggregate wages means workers will have to work harder and longer to cope with prices rising all around them. During the Bush Administration, this "sticky wages" effect extended from the factors of production we call "labor" and "human capital" over to another factor, the one we call "equity." The factors we call "land" and "physical capital" were left to benefit greatly (as were narrow channels of human capital we generally refer to as executive compensation). The lag between the strong economic expansion and significant wage gains during the Bush Administration was considerable: only by the period near the end of the last overall growth phase did labor experience anything remotely like real gains; and as for equity, the stock markets never did deliver broad-based, real (that is, inflation adjusted) gains before the crash.

    3) Should jobless people get an extended aid? Why or why not? Is extended aid making those people lazier?

  • Asking me, "Should jobless people get an extended aid?" is tantamount to asking me if we should feed starving children. Yes, of course we should expand the period of unemployment benefits in bad economic times, and we should contract that period when economic times are good. Whether or not it induces the moral hazard of making people "lazier" is irrelevant: if a working-class family has no income, the children in that family go hungry. Regardless of whether or not their parents are lazy, public policy must always be to the effect of maximizing the survival of children, making sure that they are healthy, and seeing to it that they understand that the government can be a beneficent force in their lives, so that when they grow up, they not only support the government, but insist upon a government at least as humane in that future time as it was when they were children in need.

    That does not mean I support any and all government programs that give people incentives not to care for themselves and watch out for their own interests. This talk about government-funded, comprehensive health care is a case in point. I most certainly do not want my tax dollars paying for those who take inappropriate risks with their lifestyles, nor do I want to pay for goods and services sold by a medical-pharmaceutical industry that delivers dangerous, worthless, and over-blown products and procedures to gullible health care consumers. If the government is paying for everything, we rely upon that same government — which has so massively, systematically failed us in the past — to somehow, this time, do right on a permanent basis. If we are talking about life-saving and critical quality-of-life medical matters, and especially if we are talking about them for children, the elderly, and the truly poor, then I shall lead the parade for government-funded health care; but when I hear others promoting their own desire for health care consumption excess by hiding behind the needs of the genuinely needy, then I condemn it, and I condemn those who have the brazen gall to wave yet another bloody red shirt just so they can get something and make other people pay for it.

    (On the topic of health care industry reform, I shall soon offer a small, pure, "market reform" proposal at which I know right now both liberals and conservatives will sneer derisively; but mark my word, if that idea were ever to get before Congress as proposed legislation, the medical-pharmaceutical industrial complex would see to it that the bill got killed like a sparrow being silenced by a nuclear bomb.)

    4) Who is being more affected by decreasing unemployment rate: educated or non-educated?

  • The unemployment rate is most certainly not "decreasing." I have no idea where you got that information, but it is wrong. The unemployment rate is increasing, and it is increasing for both the "uneducated" as well as the "educated." You have taken a microeconomics class, now, and you should know better than to classify workers as "uneducated" and "educated"; labor supply is far more nuanced than that. The purely unskilled labor market in this country is but one of many, each characterized by some greater or lesser degree of valuation based upon the degree of formal education, training, and/or on-the-job skills development and innate ability.

    In virtually every one of the definable labor markets, unemployment is far higher right now than it has been historically. That having been said, though, myths abound about how recessions differentially impact these different labor markets. For one thing, unskilled labor generally has two advantages in recessions: first, basic services are always needed; second, low-skilled workers who exit the "official" labor force are more likely to have resources and/or lack of countervailing risk aversion to enter less formal, "gray" or "black" market work.

    More educated people, while appearing to be better able to retain employment, too often face the phenomenon or "underemployment" (not getting enough work) or "misemployment" (working in jobs that do not utilize the most valuable of their skills). Remember that the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics counts a labor force participant as "employed" even if that individual worked only one hour during the reporting period; and the BLS makes no effort in its widely reported unemployment statistics to determine the extent to which a worker is utilizing the skills he or she has spent the most time developing to highest comparative advantage.


So, there they are: my answers to interview questions from a student who probably wanted short, easily digestible responses. Quite obviously, that is what I provided. If she and her instructor want the long answers, they'll have to take several of my courses, or they'll have to read several hundred articles I've written and published.

Either way, they will get a whole lot more than I can provide in a short interview that neither of them probably really wants to read; but, then again, that's the way it is with most people who avoid my lectures and my writings: they want answers, but they want nothing to do with the knowledge that leads to answers. Hence, they don't really want answers.

That, of course, is what makes you readers different from most people. You made it all the way through — to the very end, in fact — of yet another one of my articles.


The Dark Wraith is, once again, mighty annoyed that not everyone can be dismissed as incurious.

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Wrote kelley b:

People want to hear exactly what they expect to hear.

Chances are your answers were far too detailed for the students, although doubtless not detailed enough to elucidate the issues or seriously enlighten the students or their instructor.

People who ask sound byte questions always expect sound byte answers.

       Posted on 07/19/09 at 20:31:35 •

Wrote Dark Wraith:

Good evening, kelley b.

Funny how that works. I am quite certain I have frustrated people when they asked me about "the economy." Most of them are better served by getting whatever knowledge they want from CNN.com or some other authoritative source of 30-second wisdom.

Woe be to the aspiring politician too educated to "boil it down" to a political rally shout or a zinger for the occasional "debate" with an opponent.

It takes me two semesters to get my better students to understand the essential principles of economics, and even then, they could fall prey to simplistic reductions offered by journalists and political figures.

Sarah Palin types don't make it through even the first of my two-course sequence. If they really want their college degrees anyway, they invariably either switch majors so they don't have to hit the wall of economics (and math, of course), or they switch colleges to one of those that nearly qualifies as a diploma mill: among that sort are quite a few (but not all) of the private Christian colleges that have proliferated in recent years.

Of course, those brick-and-mortar mills are now competing with the online colleges, which are also proliferating. Even traditional schools offering online courses and degrees end up watering down their programs, if for no other reason than because the instructors they hire to handle those nightmares are, at least in most cases, desperate for work and overwhelmed by the burden those canned courses place on a teacher. (Imagine having two, 30-student online courses and spending your days and nights fielding individual streams of messages, questions, and follow-up questions that become, in their aggregate, like a torrent week after week, all so the students can take tests that cannot be monitored and submit homework assignments that most of those students just slap together and send off without a second thought about what they've written.)

Yes, this is college education in the 21st Century, and from these hallowed halls of academia will come the leaders of the future.

All is not lost, though: a handful of those people are going to have to get through me. If they do, they probably deserve to be given a shot at the big league.

If they don't, they can serve as Sarah Palin's economic advisers.

       Posted on 07/19/09 at 22:09:24 •

Wrote Weaseldog:

I think in the near future, many of those students are going to gain a better understanding of your points on underemployment.

I got a crash course in it after 2002, when I gave the State Employment office a try. I scribbled in every acronym I had written a corresponding line of code for, and thought I was really stretching it after a while. When I finally got an interview, the employment clerk told me to go back and broaden my skill set, and admonished me for wasting her time. She said I needed to fill in word, excel, outlook, photocopying, filing, etc... Here she was trying to get me a job as a clerk, after I'd been making six figures as a software engineer.

I ended up in those years loading trucks on a freight dock, because it paid more than a clerk's job did. Thank god I did a lot of that when I was in between college semesters. Penciling in fork lift experience made the difference, even if the job didn't require it.

Many of those students that don't understand all of the different ways that employment can be colored, will be washing dishes, paying off student loans, that were supposed to put them on the fast track to an executive office.

       Posted on 07/20/09 at 11:08:48 •

Wrote Weaseldog:

On another note, I ended up at a house party on Saturday night. It was billed as a house party / jam session. but I'm the only guest that brought a guitar. So the jam side of it never kicked off.

More than half of the folks i was mixing in were professors or teachers. The other half were artists. It was actually a fun night.

One older man who was a professor at a local university, kept trying to defend derivatives after I mentioned that they were a large part of the meltdown. He kept saying they were a tool for transferring risk, but were just misused... I agreed with him, but argued that they are used as a great tool for transferring risk, without disclosure. Which is fraud. And on that note he seemed to go deaf, and started talking about the days when he managed stores for Pier 1 imports in the 1970s...

But the talk of the party kept going back to economics over and over. Everyone is worried, everyone knows folks that have lost jobs, or are losing jobs. The host was recently laid off as a classical guitar instructor, but got a new job over the phone as the party progressed.

When I mentioned what I went through with the under employment, my wife's near death experience, medical bills, bankruptcy and finally play time with the IRS, the questions came rapid fire. What did I do? What would I do if I were them?

I've never encountered so much worry or so many people eager for any advice. And my advice was simple. Pay everything off. Pay off the credits cards first. And of course this led to more questions. Folks were aghast when I told them about my credit card experiences, and what the card companies do when you fall a little behind.

People are learning. This was the first time I've related my experiences in public and I saw that people got it. That they realized it could happen to them.

       Posted on 07/20/09 at 11:28:44 •

Wrote Dark Wraith:

Good heavens, 'dog, you need to tone it down: if college students knew the math of their student loans versus their expected future earnings, I might be out of a job!

Then again, without the sheepskin, they'd really be sunk. (Okay, at least they wouldn't be up to their necks in debt.)

It's all enough to point me to the moral dilemma of my craft. Am I a morally, or even ethically, rightful person if I participate in the sale of a service that might not monetarily benefit those who buy the service thinking it undoubtedly will? (I am pretty sure that none of my students take economics merely to benefit their souls.)

Sheesh.

And here I am, worrying about whether I am morally rightful in moving my PayPal donation badge up to near the top of the sidebar for a four-day fundraiser.

I should have taken up that invitation I got to do the online law school degree. I think they have a course called "Shutting Up Your Inner Voice Once And For All."

The Dark Wraith might want to think about going back to selling his blood plasma twice a week like he used to for extra food money.
[It's the only way I know for a guy to make money lying on his back for a couple of hours.]

       Posted on 07/20/09 at 11:28:52 •

Wrote Weaseldog:

Have no fear DW, that college diploma can make the difference between being a regular bottle washer and a chief bottle washer.

And you're doing your country a favor. The better educated the population is regarding how economy *REALLY* works, the better the odds that they can be a force for change in a positive direction.

Besides, revolutions start with the young. Our nation is building a record population of dramatically indebted unemployed young people. This is the sort of situation that can lead to dramatic changes.

Never be ashamed of telling young people the truth. It's not your fault that the administration is gouging on tuition while underpaying the staff.

And you didn't create this economic mess. It was created by the very same banksters that continue to profit from it.

       Posted on 07/20/09 at 11:51:34 •

Wrote Dark Wraith:

And concerning your narrative about what happened at that party, 'dog, that was what we sometimes rather hazily call a "teachable moment."

A generation can learn.

The generation after can learn from the earnestness of the generation that experienced it.

Beyond that, all bets are off. The generations that lived through the Great Depression knew how to make it, and their kids, even those who were born well afterward, got the message.

Now, it's time for the message, once again, to be learned.

My parents lived through the Great Depression. They didn't trust banks, they didn't trust debt, they didn't even trust the Democrats (in part, because the Democrats were the ones who bailed out the fools who should have known better... that was how they saw it, anyway).

I saw what debt did to my family. I saw what "medical science" did to my father. I saw what liberal, "caring" social services did to my mother. I saw what being a hard-working, life-long participant in the American Dream did to my brothers. I saw what high academia does to the unanointed.

I saw what vast knowledge, "life-long learning," and grand native abilities in teaching, writing, mathematics, and "deeply philosophical" thinking did for me.

Finally, I understood the power of lies and the fallacy of "truth." Between the two are the wares of the street hustlers, selling their stuff to passers-by who need another trinket for the curio cabinet in the hallway of their minds.

I've got dibs on a decent back alley not too far from the downtown, where the storefronts sell better-looking stuff at fancier prices than mine.

The shattered land was never otherwise.
The eye that sees it comes and goes;
the eye that remembers it, no one knows.

       Posted on 07/20/09 at 12:02:57 •

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I am so utterly weary of this nonsense. I went to the store to buy a bottle of vitamins since I'd just run through my last jug of 200. All I wanted was a nice multivitamin, maybe with some minerals. What I encountered was ridiculous: there on this long, five-shelf display was row after row of vitamins. I thought to myself, "Where's the basic multivitamin I want?" I spent literally 30 minutes finding out that the entire display had nothing but one stupid specialty vitamin after another. There were vitamins for kids, vitamins for adults under 30, vitamins for women over 50, vitamins for athletes, vitamins for women, vitamins for men over 70, vitamins for post-menopausal women, vitamins for men who need prostate health (whatever the Hell that means), vitamins for active seniors, vitamins for this, vitamins for that; but there was not ONE BOTTLE of just plain, old-fashioned multivitamins. NOT ONE.

I thought to myself, "Are they joking?" This is exactly the same thing that happened to me the last time I tried to buy a tube of toothpaste: they had toothpaste for fresher breath, toothpaste with stripes, toothpaste for sensitive teeth, toothpaste for tartar control (I don't eat fish with tartar sauce), toothpaste to make my teeth whiter-than-white, toothpaste with mint (I hate mint), even toothpaste with "advanced whitening and advanced freshness," as if I want to blow daisy smells while I direct inbound aircraft traffic with my smile; but there was not one tube of plain, old-fashioned toothpaste. NOT ONE.

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