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Mr Wraith, I sure hope you're wrong, but I fear you're right on!
So what do we do? Do we storm D.C. and demand troop withdrawl?
What recourse do we have? Keep calling and writing letters?
Do we need the draft to make people more aware?
Do tens of thousands of U.S. trops have to die for Americans to start to get concerned?
So what do we do?
Start breeding genetically altered donkeys. That might make it work a few generations sooner than natural evolution.
Ever wonder if the escalation and bush's posturing is a calculated move to establish control over congress with a confrontation right off the bat? Force the house majority to shit or get off the pot. Senate doesn't matter since there is NO democrat majority.
Do we need the draft to make people more aware?
That was perhaps the "method in the madness" of Charles Rangel when he introduced just such a bill back in January of 2003.
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Do tens of thousands of U.S. trops have to die for Americans to start to get concerned?
As with Vietnam, so perhaps with the Middle East.
Text & links look fine on "preview", then go blotto when I hit "publish".
You or me?
Up and flying proudly at Debsweb.
Good evening, Deb.
I got quite a laugh from your description of just exactly what events would coïncide with Congress stopping Bush.
The Dark Wraith simply must be present for that grand event.
Good evening, Peter of Lone Tree.
I'm not sure what happened. Were there supposed to be two or more links? All I get in the background source code is a single link, and it's working okay.
The Dark Wraith does, however, recognize that it's time get finished with the Dump Bloooooger Project.
[And unfortunately give up HTML in the comments for the more primitive Bulletin Board Code.]
Good evening, Mr. Goat.
I think what you suggested is exactly what's going on: the Bush Administration is going right for a game of "Chicken" with Congress, and Congress can't get the car on the road to square off.
Although I understand the political maneuver involved in that "100 hours of legislation" trick, it was to some extent a PR move, recognizing full well that perhaps half of those pieces of legislation are going to get vetoed, and the Democrats won't have the votes for any overrides. Besides which, any legislation Congress would send to the President that restricted Bush's self-assumed "unitary executive" power grab would get nullified by a Presidential signing statement, anyway.
This is an ugly game; and as I stated in a comment on a recent, previous thread, the only way the Congress could stop Bush is through impeachment and removal from office of both him and Dick Cheney. Unfortunately, that's off the table for the foreseeable future because, again, the Democrats just don't have the votes.
And until a hard-core, brass-knuckles investigation reveals that someone played Hail to the Chief/On his flute made of beef, there will not be a sufficient impetus in the federal legislature to hang our President.
We are in a war that cannot be stopped because we have a war-mongering Administration—comprising not just Bush and Cheney, but hundreds of their minions, as well—that cannot be stopped. And even if Congress and federal law enforcement authorities are able to crush a few of its instrumentalizers, this neo-conservative control of the Executive Branch is like a plague of locusts: you can grab as many of the little pests as you want out of the air, hold them in front of you and say, "Now, I'm going to give you a pinch that will hurt like the dickens," but it will do no good. For every one that is smacked down, dozens more like it are swirling through the halls of policy-making in the Oval Office, the Pentagon, and all manner of agencies, bureaus, and corners of Washington.
And worse still, Mr. Goat? There are virtually bottomless wallets full of money to ensure that this neo-conservative juggernaut of America's doom just keeps on truckin' down the highway to that hot place that has plenty of uncomfortably warm suites just waiting for George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and all the rest of us who get dragged down there with them.
The Dark Wraith is feeling a surge of almost intoxicatingly pessimistic realism filling his heart.
Good evening, PoliShifter.
'So what do we do?'
You're too young to remember the Democratic National Convention in 1968. You won't be too young to remember the one in 2008, though.
The difference, of course, is that in 1968 all the cops had were truncheons, mad dogs, tear gas, and jails.
Now they've got stuff that isn't fun: area denial weapons, tasers, bio-scare "rumors," and the very real authority to call people something other than "rioters" and thereby do something considerably more serious than merely throw them in jail after a cupcake beating.
But, then again, who wants to live forever anyway?
The Dark Wraith thought he just heard a chorus of "Yeesh."
Good evening, SB Gypsy.
If there's anything good to come out of this, perhaps it will be that the word "Republican" will become such a vulgar thing to say that we can reasonably expect children's mouths to be washed out with soap when they say it.
The Dark Wraith will soon pursue that particular thought in a brief post.
I can offer one glimmer of hope in this respect. Two or three years ago when I visited my parents during Christmas, my father spontaneously burbled during a Fox News broadcast about how much he loved that channel.
Last year when I went home for Christmas and gave my father his Christmas gift, a copy of David McCullough's 1776, as he perused it he spontaneously observed at how interesting it was that the Founding Fathers had had a problem with King George, and how it also seemed that we had the same problem......
Said problem my parents responded to by voting for Iraq veteran Patrick Murphy in November's election. Murphy, the Democrat, beat out incumbent Republican Mike Fitzpatrick and helped contribute to the overthrow of the Republican House of Representatives.
- oddjob (who acknowledges this is only a beginning, but is encouraged that there is at least a beginning)
Good MorningDark Wraith,
Although it appears the beguining of many a dark day for our country,the seeds for the crop of discontent that will fufill your rightous wish that the very word repubican=whaleshit,have been sown.
Effective propaganda requires ALL voices of discontent be{self} silenced.There now is many voices beguning to remember that it is not only the right,but the DUTY of a citizen to speak out against the machine that we face.
"black flag operations",as well as implementation of draconian laws will most likely face us...and that the good guys"win",now,is not a given.but,I belive that our rights and our essentual understanding of what we,as a people,are,is tied to the belife in freedom for all. of thought word and deed.
Perhaps it is because the restless,freedom-loveing trait was so part of those who came before us,that it is,as Thom Hartman said,"tied to the very genetic code"of americans,that I feel we will suceed in cutting and gutting the traitous bastards that are as you say,as "locust" in our body politic.We shall prevail.someday.soon.I hope.
"black flag operations", as well as implementation of draconian laws will most likely face us..." -- snuffy
"Black flag operations"? Snuffy, I recommend that you take a look at Jeff Wells' latest post, "We Are Family", to discover what your comment, the Iraq War, and Charles Manson all have in common.
It takes Pogo's quote, "We have met the enemy and he is us", to a new level.
Good Morning Dark Wraith,
I hate to use this approach, but I can't find your email!
I have changed my site address for Declarations...Now it is at http://pridepress.blogspot.com. I was hoping you could update the appropriate links on BigBrass for me.
Thanks so much Sir.
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Good Afternoon Dark Wraith,
I'm hoping that the republicans in new Congress, who have to face re-election in the next few, will throw Codpiece under the bus.
One of the articles of impeachment for Nixon was that he refused to answer Congress' questions or furnish the documents asked for. If that's all we can get him on in the next six months, I would be content with that, as long as those two left the WH. After they leave, then we can get the documentation to put them in chains for the forseeable future.
*Well, I can dream, can't I? *
Good morning, Dark Wraith.
I think I'll dream with SBGypsy...and hope the donkeys start flying soon.
The day donkeys fly and they day they can kiss our arse!
Good Morning Mr Wraith,
I swear this guy's been reading you!
He stole your example...
SB Gypsy,
From the article you cited:
"The project then calculates that with that money ($359 billion) you could provide total health care and insurance for more than 215 million children a year. Or, you could hire 6,224,739 schoolteachers for a year. Or, you could provide more than 17 million full four-year college scholarships."
The author doesn't mention, however, how much money would be needed to cure neo-conservative dumshittery.
Afternoon DW,
Well, there may be a slight chance that Sen.Leahy has an inkling where Gonzalez is hiding all the donkeys.
Slight I say, just slight.
Good evening, SB Gypsy, and thank you for the link to that article by Reeves.
On Wednesday, I was thundering in my economics classes about "opportunity cost," and I went right at the war in Iraq. I talked about how so-called "direct cost"--what is measured by accounting--is only a small component of "total economic cost"--which has to include both direct cost as well as indirect costs.
What's sending me into a hissy-fit right now is how some (of the few remaining) Bush apologists are bragging about bringing the budget deficits down when, in fact, our deficits are skyrocketing, but a substantial part of that red ink is not showing up in current budget numbers.
What's even worse is that some of that will show up in the next three to seven years, right when that idiot in the White House is gone and someone else is sitting there saying, "What the heck is happening with these budget deficits going through the roof?!" Those future red ink blotches are nothing less than a massive time bomb waiting to go off.
Now, when that happens, you just watch the Right-wing pundits pounce on whoever is the President if it's a Democrat.
I got a little worried today when I heard John Edwards talking about how the budget deficits could not be his motivating force in budgeting if he were President: he believes that some issues--national health care, for example--are so important that we cannot, as a nation, worry about budget busting when we have to solve these crises.
Although I remain interested in Edwards as a candidate, when he says things like that, I just cringe. Ditto with Al Gore saying that global warming is "...the single most important issue of our time." I keep thinking to myself, "Folks, if we don't deal with this ungodly budget mess, we're not going to have the luxury of worrying about national health care and global warming."
It reminds me of the distant relatives of mine a few years back, a family that was fretting over getting a new furnace to replace the one in their house that was broken, and at the same time ignoring the fact that there was a foreclosure eviction notice sitting right there on their kitchen table. As important as that furnace was, it was completely irrelevant when they weren't even going to be living in the house by the end of the week.
Lord, what a mess we're in.
I swear, every time I see someone who voted for that fool, I want to ask exactly what he or she plans to do personally to get the money to pay to fix this fiasco. I can hear the answer now: "Well, they better not raise mah taxes, I'll tell yew that much, heh-heh-heh."
Grr.
The Dark Wraith is on the verge of putting another "r" on his "Grr."
Good evening, elf.
Unfortunately, I don't think Sen. Leahy will be interested in getting too tough with Mr. Gonzales.
Without a hint of conspiracy theory in my heart (a-hem), I must assume that far too many Senators and Representatives--be they Democrat or Republican--are in no position to dare the Bush Administration to let slip the fruits of Mr. Rove's years of work in getting the long-standing dossiers on them from the spook community.
Geez, that sounded sort of like conspiracy theory, didn't it?
Never mind what I said.
The Dark Wraith certainly wants nothing to do with ridiculous stories that couldn't possibly be true.
Good evening, and welcome, Kelley Bell.
I just blogrolled you here at The Dark Wraith Forums and at Big Brass Blog.
Now, as far as the donkeys are concerned, if ever there were an opportunity to see George W. Bush have to kiss a Democrat's backside, I'd have to think for a while about which one I would most like to see our Dear Leader have to kiss.
I'm leaning toward Barbara Boxer, but I suppose my sentimental favorite would probably still be Ted Kennedy.
Any way you cut it, the tickets to that event would sell like hotcakes.
The Dark Wraith would even cough up the money for the Pay-per-View.
"Although I remain interested in Edwards as a candidate..."
As was I, Dark Wraith, even to the point of perhaps attending the "town hall meeting" which I twice received invitations to attend this a.m.
But when I discovered who some of the people are that he hangs out with, I decided to stay home instead and NOT watch television.
Although I remain interested in Edwards as a candidate, when he says things like that, I just cringe. Ditto with Al Gore saying that global warming is "...the single most important issue of our time." I keep thinking to myself, "Folks, if we don't deal with this ungodly budget mess, we're not going to have the luxury of worrying about national health care and global warming."
Good Afternoon Dark Wraith,
I wonder though, if we don't deal with global warming we won't have to worry about the deficit, cause the govt will be drowned and civilization will be gone. A little later, all life as we know it will suffocate under a layer of co2 and methane that won't disappear for millenia.
Buying a farm - even with solar panels and a windmill - won't save us either.
Since global warming has the potential to turn cropland regions into deserts, I think the best way to think about that is, "Fiscal sanity pays for the rest, and therefore must be done, but if we don't reverse global warming we may end up not being in a position to worry about who will pay for what."
- oddjob