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Fun with Trolls
The happy little Right-wing seal came out to the rocks jutting out of the water at Big Brass Blog Beach, and there he started his Right-wing bark:
Oh, by the way. To all members of the lunatic left-wing fringe:And the killer whale came up from behind, creating a giant wave that washed the little Right-wing seal into the frothing surf, where the killer whale snatched him and took him out to open water, there to playfully toss him up and down and up and down... and then to eat him alive.
In the District of Columbia, the legal age of sexual consent is 16.
Need a link?
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
Now, if you're going to start bitching and screaming that even if it's legal, it's inappropriate for a 50-something politician to have sex with an unpaid young volunteer, and any such politician should be forced to resign immediately just for suggesting it ...
... need I remind you ...
by: GrouchoMarx (contact) - 03 Oct '06 - 01:25
Good evening, GrouchoMarx.
Rep. Foley committed a federal crime. In fact, an indictment would include multiple counts on the charge. That is the issue. Oh, yes: conspiracy after the fact and obstruction of justice by several members of the Republican House leadership might be issues, too. Sometimes I'm so forgetful when I'm getting giddy watching hateful, power-hungry, old White men doing an impromptu group implosion. It's like watching group sex, except there's no cheesy music, and the moaning isn't fake.
But let's set all that legal mumbo-jumbo aside. I need to point out something else, something far more timely and compelling. Should you decide to try Mr. Foley's trick on a 16-year-old girl or boy in my custody, be sure to remind me about that age of consent thing of yours.
I'll find that pretty informative while I'm putting your perverted ass into one of those wheelchairs with the built-in, gravity-assist pee-bag attachment.
And by the way, if you don't understand the difference between a 23-year-old who went to Washington to "earn [her] Presidential kneepads" and a 16-year-old smoothie who doesn't need Mr. StiffWood helping him figure out which gate swings with the sweet song for him, I'll bet you already qualify for the Libertarian Consequences of Too Much Free Speech re-imbursement program for that wheelchair.
In other words, you and Foley take heed: bother the wrong kids and swear to God you thought they were 23 years old, and the last thing you'll need to worry about is being the Featured Special in the Fresh Meat Aisle at some federal penitentiary grocery store.
Come to think of it, you'll be so messed up you'll have to dress up like a pork chop to get ugly dogs to like you when the vigilantes are finished with the old one-two counseling session. Trust me, Groucho, it's not worth stepping up to the plate to join the Pervert Dinner Brigade to get a helping of the Ass Beating Buffet. You'll end up paying for your meal and theirs.
In other words, Groucho, get off it. When those 'lunatic left-wing fringe' folks take over the government and start doing the renditions on the likes of you and your buddies, you really, really don't want any of that sex stuff on the interrogation agenda, especially if you get sent to someplace like Syria or Egypt. Those torturers do special things to the perverts and their supporters. I think you'll agree with me that being Mr. Foley's friend right now isn't going to be worth the price when you meet 'Dr. Omar' in a dungeon on the other side of the world, where he'll use special electrodes designed to make testicles flash "Eat at Joe's... Eat at Joe's." I mean, really. But, hey, it's your call.
I'm not paying for your wheelchair. Or the smoke detector.
The Dark Wraith has thus finished the friendly toss-the-seal session for the evening.
Published 10/04/2006 01:02:00 AM
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Sometimes I wish we still had a place that these powermongering perverts could be banished to... Jail is not sufficient punishment for the likes of what is pretending to run our government these days.
Sometimes I wish we still had a place that these powermongering perverts could be banished to...
Baghdad
Dark Wraith: Nice way to put a troll in its place. The best way to take out a troll is to expose the lies that troll will post in his/her comments. Expose the hypocrisy. That's how you stop them.
I found myself getting involved with a troll named Kirk over at Moxigrrrl regarding the Iraq war. I pretty much ripped Kirk's arguments to shredded wheat as we went through a whole number of issues from Iraq, Osama, a connection between FDR's New Deal programs and the World Trade Center attacks (I still don't know what the connection is between FDR's New Deal program and the terrorist attacks, or the recessions of 2002), and even Bill Clinton. Througout the debate, I kept a very moderate, and pleasant tone--never insulted his personal character, while Kirk threw enough hatred over to me. He ended up ignoring me at the end of the commentary thread.
I've condensed the thread of the debate between Kirk and myself here on my own blog.
That is how I took out a troll. This is how we should all take out the trolls that come on the liberal and progressive blogsites to spread their hate and lies--throw their lies back in their faces with carefully reasoned arguments that exposes the lies. And keep a pleasant manner when exposing them. That will piss the trolls off even more since they will discover that they can't get you angry enough to hurl insults against them--insults that they can then use when they send the comments back to their own freeperville blogs claiming the liberals are crazy.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Good evening, Dark Wraith.
Now that was a righteous beatdown. Nicely administered, sir.
Good evening, Dark Wraith.
That was quite a response! I enjoyed reading it.
I've come to the conclusion that these crazy Republican types aren't really anti-gay, they just hate gays that are open about their sexuality.
Strangely, though, they seem to love and embrace the closet variety.
It seems as if a lot of the people, who aren't honest about their sexuality, have nasty little secrets that can ruin their careers....<-re: Republican - I realize lots of people have nasty little secrets - it doesn't matter whether they're gay or hetero.
Congressman Rodney Alexander from Louisiana sponsored the page in question. He said yesterday that the boy has already received a number of death threats for revealing those emails. DEATH THREATS. Can you imagine? From the likes of that troll no doubt. Someone who sees life through the narrow lens all neocon illiterates seem to cultivate. Anything threatening the Republican hegemony is evil and therefore must be destroyed. Never mind that a child predator has been uncovered and stopped. It seems in the screwed up world of conservative thought, pederasty is good - as long as it is practiced by Republicans. I find this whole situation repugnant in the extreme. Especially the “abuse excuse” Foley has employed. How heartless of the man - and how dismissive of everyone who has suffered through true abuse and chosen not to repeat the sins of the past. When I heard that bromide slither out of his attorney’s mouth - I wanted to reach into the television and shake that asshole within an inch of his life. Abuse is a choice - not a genetic imperative. To imply that it is - renders the work those of us fighting to overcome our pasts have done as null and void. And damn Foley to hell for suggesting it!
As for Kirk over at MoxieGirrl - he was one of the reasons I stopped frequenting her site. She’s wonderful – but trolls like him can hijack a thread and ruin a good discussion in no time flat. I tend to avoid conversations that are plagued by them.
Fat Lady Sings: MoxieGrrrl is a fun site to visit, and yes the trolls like Kirk seem to frequent her site. But trolls are a part of the blogging life. I've pasted Kirk once before, and I'll paste him again. I'm in the process of debating him on the Foley scandal here, although Kirk is a little more wary of taking me on--seems I have to draw out his comments and views now, because he doesn't want to talk to me.
The way to stop trolls from hijacking a thread is to confront them--expose their hypocrisy and lies. After taking out Kirk in the previous debate on Iraq, he really didn't show up on Moxie's site until just recently.
Great smackdown, again, Wraith!
What is it with trolls in that they always seem to be half-facted? This one overlooked the part about solicitation and sexual discussion with minors, under the age of 18, is now a federal crime since the passage of the "Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006" - which Foley co-authored.
The way things are going for the Republicans right now, they're probably praying to God Cheney will shoot some old lawyer's face off again just to distract everyone from all this sex stuff.
LOL!
(Hey! Why are all those radical fundijeezicals on the "religious" right so darn quiet on this scandal?)
Oooop, that Nonnie Mouse was herself.
Sully's quote for the day (for yesterday):
"We will make you successful, as long as you don't mind me grabbing your [deleted] once in a while," - Congressman Mark Foley to a Congressional page.
- oddjob
Good morning, Dark Wraith.
You are my hero. Well done.
Good morning, Karen M.
If you haven't been following it, we have a rather fun thread going from Chet Scoville's latest article over at Big Brass Blog.
The Dark Wraith does like to limit his tendency to patience every once in a while.
I used to love my trolls, they don't come around much anymore...
=(
Ah, Dark Wraith. I would prefer a world where such "schooling" would not even be necessary, but unfortunately the world is not that way. You are a sweet blend of elegant assertion.
"Nonnie Mouse" cut to the chase as well.
As for trolls, I am split. I enjoy hearing diverse views, and think smart trolls can really add something. But unfortunately the troll formula often lacks reason and the strategy of "deal with trolls, point out their hypocrisy" doesn't always work. If they responded to a fact based reality, they would not hold their views in the first place!
My Pet Trolls (or so I call them) at Blue Republic have a formula.
Mention civil liberties, claim we hate god or the baby jesus. Criticize Bush, they drag out Clinton. Talk about global warming, they talk about Gore as an opportunist bitter crybaby. Talk about Coulter or Rush or any wingutty hagmeat-then they will talk about every damn movie Michael Moore ever made. Talk about jobs, they talk about the stock high. (that took SIX YEARS, Hello!)
There's really a set script, and I see it on Fox, I see it on their blogs (which I read like a masochist) and its the same stupid logic over and over.
Where can you go with such people? it amounts to a huge waste of time, and FLS is right in that it often derails everything. Everyone becomes reactive, when perhaps we should let them express themselves but not give them so much legitimacy. Sometimes I see us falling all over ourselves to fight... and they thrive on ruffling our feathers then walking away chuckling like frat boys.
On The FDR question, whats that about? I have heard that certain relationhips with certain English over certain currency manipulations, gold, the petrodollar and bourse- somehow swirled in with the NY-London oil exchange and renovations of the former exchange in the twin towers related to opportunity for controlled demolition ALL connects, perhaps with some more "blame the Masons, Illuminati, Jewish Conspiracy, Aliens" kind of stuff.
This gal wouldn't dare prevail upon the Dark Wraith's good graces to whack THAT pinata.
Beautiful, Dark Wraith, absolutely beautiful.
*sniff*
If you haven't been following it, we have a rather fun thread going from Chet Scoville's latest article over at Big Brass Blog.
Forgive me, Dark Wraith, for I have sinned--I have taken joy in the shredding of a helpless (hopeless?) Newbie.
D d dat's what I'm talkin' about! But then you mess it all up with that top right comment. you point a finger at the "sex distractions" then you talk about Cheney shooting off on some poor lawyer's face...what? Read what again. Oh. Sorry.
we have a rather fun thread going from Chet Scoville's latest article over at Big Brass Blog.
It is so fun, that instead of discreditting the troll or proving him wrong, DW just banning him.
(In the mind of the troll, who would never understand no matter how clearly it was explained.........)
- oddjob
Good afternoon, Newbie.
OddJob is right on the mark: you won't get it.
That's why you have a time-out in effect on you; and for all your righteous indignation about the unfairness of it all, this is how it should have been done all along against the harangue of Right-wingers who tried to pose as if they had something reasonable to say.
Many readers know of my patience: I have had conservatives and even Right-wingers come here. They were respectful, they listened, they disagreed, they modified their stance, they held their ground on certain matters, and they are always, always welcome back. Several of them send e-mail messages to me.
You, on the other hand, need a time-out. The era of progressives sitting back and playing the hand of infinite patience and principled, unending tolerance is coming to a close real fast. And the Democrats in Congress better be aware of this: their spinelessness is on the agenda, too.
You may rejoin the discussions under a new handle in a certain number of weeks, should you choose to keep checking. If you can't control yourself in a second pass under a different handle (and no one will ever know the new you was the New-bie), you'll be banned permanently; and if you try to go around the ban, you'll find out what a real bitch of a tech wizard I am when it comes to stopping admins at servers from allowing stuff I don't want to get through.
I offer you stern lecture, and your young sneer is all I and the others get. You have lost your privilege to speak in the company of the voices I publish. But you might want to find out that, if you will just stop your sneering, condescension, and utter dismissal of fact-based arguments, you will be welcome, and I'll be the one to invite you in.
Or you can stay out too long with the others like you, and then you'll finally get sick of their phony arguments and distorted thinking, but you'll have burned your bridges back to the place where people of sound reason and good will would have cared enough to let you in.
The Dark Wraith has said what needs to be said on this matter.
And to everyone else here, I do apologize for the rather uncharacteristically harsh tone I've taken with that particular troll.
I've no intention of making it policy to talk like some stern father to those who disagree with me, but in rare instances the situation merits an unsympathetic stance. This is one of those, and my response in the end was based upon what I've seen both in political discourse and in some parts of academia where Right-wing students are using this same tactic of haranguing a point over and over to disrupt classes where the professors weren't strong-willed enough to crack down.
I'm just not the kind of professor--or the kind of publisher--who lets that kind of deliberate, ill-willed behavior go too far. That's why I have great classes with wonderfully productive discussions; and it's how I propose to have great publications, too.
The Dark Wraith is trying to act like he didn't really growl loudly enough to scare everyone off.
Lily: I never received an answer from Kirk regarding the FDR's New Deal and the 9/11 terrorist attacks either--even though I asked him like six times to please explain his reasoning. Kirk told me to go read the "documentary" Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand--his words, not mine. I guess Kirk secretly wished that if I read Ayn Rand, the Light of God would shine upon me, creating an epiphany, discovering the wickedness of my evil, liberal ways, and to join him in the ranks of Freeperville. So there is a connection between FDR's New Deal program, the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and the recessions of 1990 and 2002--I don't know what the connections are, but Kirk said I would understand it all if I read Atlas Shrugged.
Kirk couldn't even explain his reasoning. He couldn't place the connection between FDR, the WTC attacks and even Atlas Shrugged into a couple paragraphs. While I've never read Ayn Rand, I've certainly have heard of Atlas Shrugged, and even went to Wikipedia to see if I could understand this concept. It is bizarre. In fact it is so bizarre that even a religious fanatic like Kirk couldn't even understand the concept.
Eric:
I have read "Atlas Shrugged" multiple times, I even bought it in hardback way back when. I don't see any connection between FDR, etc., unless it is some stretch about the rise of the unprincipled mediocre over the principled achiever that (in the right-wingnut mindset)has stemmed from the fact that due to FDR the underachiever has a safety net and does not simply starve to death. Unfortunately for that stretch, the main underachiever in another of her books("The Fountainhead"), Peter Keating, is very similar to what I imagine our dear president is in actuality. The book appeals to my libertarian/capitalist streak, but even in my youth, I realized that in the real world not everyone is capable of caring for themselves, and society has a moral obligation to provide. SO I enjoy Rand's novels as novels. I have attempted some of her theory books-they suck. Her whole philosophy only works for the greatest good if everyone were born with moral fibre and ability. It does not fit the range of human actions one has to deal with in the real world. Kind of like anarchy-works fine in a group where everyone acts with enlightened self-interest and follows the golden rule, but all you need are a couple of folks who are greedy or power-seeking and the system as a social construct breaks down. I have not been reading the thread you all are referncing, but it is kind of a hoot that someone described as a religious fanatic would be referencing Ayn Rand's work-it is actively anti-organized-religion and the heroes all tend to be athiests. Just weirdness.
Now, maybe AS ties in because the best and brightest individualists all suffer while the mediocre and brown-nosers rise to the top. The wingnut contingent has a perpetual self-esteem problem/persecution complex, and they may be trying to cast themselves in the role of the brilliant individual. Who knows how the troll mind works?
Wild Clover: So the connection between Atlas Shrugged and FDR's New Deal program is "some stretch about the rise of the unprincipled mediocre over the principled achiever that (in the right-wingnut mindset)has stemmed from the fact that due to FDR the underachiever has a safety net and does not simply starve to death." That is such a thin connection between Atlas Shrugged and FDR's New Deal program, that even I would have trouble comprehending it. Wikipedia's entry really doesn't show this connection.
But I can see the appeal of this argument by the Freepers and the right-wingnuts in their own crazed desire to destroy the social net--a social net that would benefit them more than the rich elitists and corporatists who both control the Republican Party and have brainwashed the wingnuts into believing the opposite of their self-interests. The Republicans love to tout individualism and independence over that of a collective social good. But what happens when the middle-class American loses their factory jobs due to outsourcing, and there are no replacement jobs that will pay the prevailing wages of those lost factory jobs? The freepers can't understand that concept, or they just choose to ignore it.
Eric,
You're wasting your time "taking on" Kirk. He is a harmless, albeit annoying, parody of all that is holy. He's putting you on, my friend. He is nothing more than a prankster. He wins by pulling you in and you win by ignoring his pranks.
Peace.
Dark Wraith,
You're growl I'm sure was warranted.
Peace.