Special Analysis:
Casualty Allocation in Modern Warfare
The reliance upon stand-off military assets, particularly fighter jets and bombers, has been criticized in a number of quarters: indeed, some argue that the United States and its Coälition partners believed that the initial "Shock and Awe" campaign and subsequent air and missile attacks on Baghdad and other parts of Iraq in the Spring of 2002 would substantially, if not utterly, remove Iraqi resistance to the subsequent ground invasion.
But while the Coälition might earnestly have believed the air campaign would conclusively and swiftly resolve the war, it is certainly the case that aerial bombardment by bombs, rockets, and missiles did not do nearly as much as expected to bring combat to a swift end. Among the ranks of modern war planners and advocatesparticularly those lacking actual experience in warthere does seem to exist a belief that air power can not only define the architecture of dominance in military campaigns, but also be decisive in wars, themselves. The IDF has in its current campaign against the Lebanese Hizballah shown considerable subscription to this belief, having already flown hundreds of sorties in just the few weeks its attack on Lebanon has been underway, while at the same time fielding only token, if highly publicized, infantry forays into Lebanese territory.In a ground force projection begun on July 25, 2006, IDF soldiers quickly encountered resistance from Hizballah fighters whose ferocity seemed to take Israeli soldiers by surprise. The ensuing skirmishes clearly established why the air campaign had been and remained far preferable, at least in the short run: nine IDF soldiers were killed in a relatively short period of time during combat engagements in southern Lebanon. In the broad history of warfare, such a death toll is minimal and insignificant, but it comes as a shock nonetheless to both troops and the public at large since neither group is used to death in combat at any level, despite having national experience with far higher tolls in earlier times and previous wars. For the public especially in recent times in modern societies, months or a rapid series of high death rate encounters are required for general concensus to accept death toll numbers above one or two in a given day or a given encounter.
At left is a picture of a GBU-28A/B in flight: the "GBU" stands for "Guided Bomb Unit," otherwise informally and generically referred to as a "bunker buster." The GBU-28 was developed for and used in Desert Storm and is now being provided by the United States to the IDF, which is using this weapon in Lebanon to destroy what it describes as some of the 600 or so hardened, underground munitions and personnel bunkers under the control of Hizballah forces. The bomb is mounted under the wing of an F-15I "Eagle," depicted in the first graphic near the top of this article. (The Israelis call the F-15I "Thunder," and they gave the earlier, F-15C/D version the rather ominousor perhaps insensitivename "Buzzard.") Because a GBU carries a massive explosives package, in earlier versions its delivery jet would often have to make a critical upward maneuver, releasing the weapon in a lofting trajectory that allowed it to come more or less straight down on its target, this being necessary so the device did not have to navigate around intervening buildings and other structures on its way to the target, which might be underneath a building or otherwise buried and hardened. In the GBU-28, a Paveway III GPS/INS guidance package (which usually removes the need for the lofted release) takes the bomb on the final leg to its target, where its payload of 4,500 to 5,000 pounds of explosives detonates on top of the underground bunker, breaching overlying earth, concrete, and other protective materials.
The explosion of the bomb then kills personnel in the bunker and sets off or otherwise destroys any munitions stored there. The force of the explosion is sufficient to destroy any building atop the bunker. Surrounding buildings for dozens of yards left standing around the target are structurally compromised both at the level of their foundations and in their load-bearing walls, making the effect of a GBU-28 detonation particularly destructive in urban and suburban environments. The graphic at right above shows buildings that were near a destroyed target in Beirut.Effective, mission-specific alternatives to these bunker busters are few and uniformly problematic, as are alternatives to other air-to-surface rockets, bombs, and missiles and surface-to-surface, large-calibre ordnance. In fact, the principal and general alternatives reduce in reality to only one: ground forces. This would include infantry on foot and in armored vehicles penetrating urban and peri-urban environments, fighting house-to-house, building-to-building, degrading enemy assets and killing enemy soldiers during the advance and securitization operations. In the words of Israeli Knesset member and Minister of Justice Haim Ramon, "What we should do in southern Lebanon is employ huge firepower before a ground force goes in... Our great advantage vis-a-vis Hizbollah is our firepower, not in face-to-face combat."
As the Israeli Justice Minister's statement demonstrates, the disadvantages of 'face-to-face combat' are rather more obvious than the advantages. Infantry fighting in close quarters entails a very high probability of significant casualty rates among troops; stand-off weapons, on the other hand, by their nature keep troops far away from ground fire and booby-traps. Furthermore, stand-off weapons willprovided they actually hit their intended targetsdegrade enemy assets much more rapidly than infantry and mechanized infantry possibly could, even when the airborne ordnance does not live up to the "precision" frequently used to describe its accuracy. Slogging forward across a hostile country takes days, and target-rich environments can be few and far between along the way. Aerial bombarment from jets and artillery projects destructive force miles and scores of miles forward, thereby offering considerably greater access to widely dispersed targets of interest. For ground troops, after moving forward through sparse encounters on the way to a city of strategic interest, the drop into urban and peri-urban combat environments causes a sudden shift of the target/threat environment from one relatively thin to something so rich and multi-faceted that it can quickly overwhelm even the most trained infantry and mechanized units, leaving soldiers and other war assets vulnerable to everything from snipers to booby-traps to ambushes.
And these are just the beginnings of the problems for the early phases of urban combat environment engagement, even before genuine occupation forces can arrive and establish some degree of order, tense and violent as such might be. Urban warfare is where soldiers of both sides come into contact at close range. Most likely, both sides will attempt to employ small arms fire to neutralize enemy combatants sited or suspected; but the availability of rifles, side arms, and grenades does not entirely remove the possibility of the worst of all possible battlefield scenarios, hand-to-hand combat: those 'face-to-face' fights mentioned above are bloody and violent beyond description, and their nature mitigates at least to some degree any technological superiority one side might have over the other. Extremely close-quarters fighting is where the most ancient roots of warfare rise to the surface in brief encounters that end with the near certainty of deaths of some of those so engulfed.
But ground forces also present an interesting and little noted opportunity: because of the close quarters in which such combat occurs, and because of the human, real-time, visual nature of identifying enemy threats, there exists the capacity, at least in some cases, to determine whether or not potential targets actually merit attack. Unlike stand-off weaponry, which by its nature can only remotely distinguish civilians from genuine tactical targetsforward observers, prior intelligence, remote video monitoring, and target painting notwithstandingground force combatants can and do tell the difference between dangerous adversaries and civilians.
This is by no means a perfect trade-off: infantry and close artillery can cause civilian deaths, either by accident or deliberation: the former is a tragic consequence of non-combatants killed or wounded in cross-fire or through misidentification; the latter is a monstrous and very real possibility, with only some of the many small and large massacres of civilians ever becoming widely known as was the case, for example, of the massacres in the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila in mid-September of 1982.
The accidents and treacheries committed by infantry troops having been noted, the trade-off between force casualties and those on the other side of a conflict is genuine. In an air and artillery campaign, fewer soldiers will be exposed to enemy fire, but more civilians on the other side will suffer as a result. Stand-off weaponryregardless of the sophistication of technology employed in its guidance, targeting, and detonation systemswill not always nor particularly frequently ensure the safety of those who are not a threat, and this grim fact is unrelated to whether or not enemy soldiers are using civilians as "human shields," as is so often claimed when civilians get killed in bombings. Civilian casualties are an inevitable consequence of the nature of the chosen matrix of weaponry and tactics. When the enemy is at distance, clarity in identification is sacrificed at the same time troops are protected from close-quarters combat with its attendantly higher kill rates.
The trade-off is such: rely on bombardment campaigns to protect one's own troops, and thereby re-allocate the composition of absolute casualty count toward those upon whom the bombardment is being wrought. The greater numbers of dead and injured on the other side will necessarily reflect both genuine targets and innocent civilians.
Readers uncomfortable with or disgusted by this allocation calculus should strive not to wage war in the modern age because technologically sophisticated societies will do whatever is necessary to minimize their own casualties in order to maintain popular support. Deaths of soldiers and civilians on the other side in a war are not nearly as corrosive to that public support as would be large numbers of casualties on their own side.
That means air warfaredespite its limitations in successfully resolving conflicts and despite its inevitable, occasional killing of civilianswill continue to be the first and principal means by which the Western world and its more sophisticated proxies prosecute the grim wars of this century and beyond.
The Dark Wraith trusts that readers have been enlightenedwhile perhaps being disheartened or even enragedby this informational article.
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Between you and BadTux I am learning more than I want to about conducting war in this day and age.
Or as another site put it: All orcs are bad. We just want to kill, without accountability or retribution.
If someone was watching us from outer space would they think we were civilized?
Good evening, Debra.
If we are being watched from outer space, it seems to me that it's not a matter of whether our observers think we're civilized or not, but rather a tactical issue of whether or not they want to come down and try to deal with a species as frisky as ours.
In my judgment, we would be Exhibit 1 for the Prime Directive.
The Dark Wraith rather likes the lack of folks from other worlds making themselves known around these parts.
An excellent commentary, Dark Wraith .. and Good Morning / Evening.
The only real thing I’d like to add to that, is to say that whilst the following is certainly true as far as the domestic perspective of the country at war:
Deaths of soldiers and civilians on the other side in a war are not nearly as corrosive to that public support as would be large numbers of casualties on their own side.
.. it does also have the effect of significantly reducing the size of the ”your side” for those who are percieved to be technologically superior.
Look at Israel now, compared to 1967.
In 1967 Israel had an overwhelming body of world opinion (and even the war machinary of Iran and South Africa) on its side – even if there was sympathy for the Palestinian cause – recent Jewish experience meant that world opinion was foursquare behind Isarel.
Today it is a very different story indeed and outside of the United States there is not a single Western country (if anywhere) with a significant proportion of the puplic supporting Israel .. even the Jewish communities of Europe have largely turned against Israel.
People are quite simply refusing to make the connection, with international terrorism, that Bush and Balir were exepcting them to make .. instead they see the technological superiority as the real machinary of terror.
Even Blair can’t bring his country aboard. Technological superiortity is far too reminicent of what was done to Britain in the Blitz of London and Coventry .. and even worse, what Britain did to Dresden (and is STILL punishing itself for more than 60 years later) and even the Murdoch press has had to abandon support for Israel.
I would prefer to think that there were others in outer space, I hate to think we are the top of the ladder.
I'm still learning way too much about war.
Good Evening (or is it morning yet, i gets confused during high workload times) Dark Wraith:
Excellent analysis. During one of the many assaults upon al-Fallujah I was asked by a friend who knew that my background included experience from both sides of the insurgency question. I was not happy with sending our style of force into that briar patch. I knew the fighting would be close and vicious and, most likely, to no real result other than knocking down some more buildings and killing some more people. This friend is a history professor at the same college where I was teaching some music classes and she really wanted to know if there was a way to take and control a city without the wholesale destruction and carnage involved with either air bombardment, artillery or rolling in with the tanks and their escorts.
I thought on the problem for several days, scouring through memories and old military texts. The only solution I arrived at that made any sense to me was repellent. Whether or not it would be more repellent than the "destroy the village in order to save it" result of a conventional street fight I do not know.
If I were tasked with the taking of a city and fully taken off the leash in the realm of tactics I would take these measures:
1. Establish a clear, perimeter outside the city (Ceasar in Gaul, circumvallation)
2. Make it known in the city that anyone wishing to come out will be treated justly and honorably. (Saladin, 2nd Crusade, Alexander at Tyre)
3. Infiltrate the city with sniper teams and forward artillery observers, and those new guys from the air force that talk to planes from the ground. Night vision equipment would allow my teams to pinpoint the targets of maximum interest along with various targets of opportunity. Snipers would have a clear criteria for shots taken. The whole idea of this being to convince the people of the city that this is no longer a safe place. If you move in the open, you will be seen. If you are one of the ones we are looking for you will be shot or shelled or bombed soon. Remember what one crazy asshole with a pistol did to the collective psyche of New York one summer? Imagine what a handfull of highly trained professionals could do.
On sending in infantry after massive shelling. It always looks so good. It looked good on the bluffs above Omaha beach, it looked good in the mountains of Okinawa, it looked great on the summit of Hamburger Hill. It just doesn't look that great when they rise up out of the smoking ruins and start shooting at you.
In the GBU-28, a Paveway III GPS/INS guidance package (which usually removes the need for the lofted release) takes the bomb on the final leg to its target, where its payload of 4,500 to 5,000 pounds of explosives detonates on top of the underground bunker, breaching overlying earth, concrete, and other protective materials.Collateral building damage in Beirut. The explosion of the bomb then kills personnel in the bunker and sets off or otherwise destroys any munitions stored there. The force of the explosion is sufficient to destroy any building atop the bunker. Surrounding buildings for dozens of yards left standing around the target are structurally compromised both at the level of their foundations and in their load-bearing walls, making the effect of a GBU-28 detonation particularly destructive in urban and suburban environments.
I find a discussion on the carrying capacities of the Kremas in Auscwitch II-Birkenau may be informative here.
These were designed and capable of fully servicing two subjects every thirty minutes, based on a letter dated June 28, 1943. However, anecdotal evidence from operators suggest that the time was sped up to twenty minutes, with three subjects being serviced, or possibly alternating between two and three at a time. It is unclear whether this had a detrimental effect to fully satisfactory outcomes. This would then give a total facility capacity of between 6,600 and 9,900 daily, which seems to coincide with another operator estimate of 7,000 subjects serviced per 24 hours. Such estimates are in line with the logistic capabilities of inputs and outputs to the process at these facilities.
It is the objective and dispassionate examination of such topics which yields the best opportunity for lessons in technical fields such as mission servicing and logistics.
Good morning, Wraith. As ever, incisive commentary.
If you will forgive my presumption, however, it seemed to me one aspect of stand-off weaponry was missed: the insulation from the results of the attack.
While never having participated in a military operations, I've known many vets who shared their stories of the front, what they knew of the costs of war, and taking life. Killing from a height or a distance, as in some grotesque video game, buffers the warrior from that knowledge. While camera crews and news reports degrade that insulation somewhat, that up-close-and-personal knowledge that you've ended a life is missing from the equation. After WWII, the mantra was "Never Again" because those who lived understood the cost and bore it, as do vets of any ground conflict, and most of their governments.
That is my single biggest issue with the hands pushing the buttons of the war machines now: they are incapable of any accountability, let alone that one, and in their greed and arrogance is no concern for those that will have to bear the costs for their wars.
Please forgive the rant. In closing, while I agree, Debra, that there is almost certainly life "out there" in the dark, I'm afraid DW likely has the right of it: any truly intelligent species would take a look at us right now and move on.
For awhile I thought about aliens, politicians, God and others who might "save us". But lately, I have given up on what I now consider was my fantasy.
I don't think any aliens care about us.
And I don't think "nature" cares if we kill ourselves off - that is quite clear to anyone who has lived to tell the story of surviving the wonder of nature in a gorgeous nature spot.
I think we humans are all we have and that is more than enough. We will have to "save" - to take care, of ourselves. The human race has to save itself - to love and respect to all - with no exceptions. I may change my mind on this, but for now, I think this is what I think is the shape of things.
I read this scifi book in the sixties that postulated we were at the stage where we would either go into space or we would blow ourselves up.
We were getting ready to walk on the moon, Star Trek was sort of popular and I had hope that we would pick the first option.
Almost forty years later and our space program sucks, but we certainly have new and inventive ways to kill civilians.
I believe the purpose of the neutron bomb was to eliminate the people while leaving the infrastructure. Now we just don't care about the people or the infrastructure. Killing isn't going to solve this problem, unless we kill every single person on the "other" side.
I'm frustrated and angry with the whole situation. We need to be invaded from outer space, it is the only way we are ever going to see ourselves as Earthers instead of Israelis, Lebanese, Palestinians or Americans. We can't stop the violence ourselves.
I believe Reagan mentioned this while he was still president.
Aside to Dianna:
And I don't think "nature" cares if we kill ourselves off
On one of my first forays deep into the boonies of Viet Nam we had stopped for the umpteenth time to strip and take the leeches off each other and I was on the verge of losing it. The strangeness, the hostility of the environment that I perceived were all giving me the major willies. I shuddered visibly and said in a broken voice "this jungle's out to get us." One of our Kmher tribesmen came over and put a hand on my shoulder and gently said "Jungle no get you. Jungle no care." Being able to perceive the total indifference of the environment to my existence made me a much more effective operator in the boonies. Faced with an entity that was completely unconcerned with my survival I endeavored to become as unnoticable as I could.
Good afternoon, Debra.
The science fiction television series, Earth: Final Conflict, sets forth the complications of a "helpful" alien civilization coming to Earth. The series was created by Majel Barret, the wife of the late Gene Roddenberry. For many years, Barrett has been a considerable, if rather poorly recognized, force in television science fiction. Her other large accomplishment was Andromeda. This latter program provided passing, throw-away mentions of the Earth of the future as a horrific place that had been ravaged by invasions of several monstrous, hegemonic races.
That theme, of course, was explored in the movie, Independence Day, as well as in many others.
Grim stuff. Perhaps almost as grim as the scenario in Serenity and its associated television series, where we are the only sentient beings in the known universe, at least to the extent that we have traveled among the stars. We take our conflicts with us, we fight, we cause disasters, we build and destroy; and it's all our own doing because we really are alone to live and perish of our own devices out there, just like here.
Sadly, the scenario of Serenity might be on the mark. There are some pretty good reasons why we might be, if not the only planet with sentient beings, quite possibly the planet with the most technologically advanced of such creatures.
That's a rather depressing thought.
The Dark Wraith should lay off the depressing scenarios.
Good afternoon, Minstrel Boy.
Your description of the jungle resonates with me, but I have always found that dispassion of nature to be at times thoroughly terrifying. It seems to me that the defining character of humans—perhaps that which ensouls us—is our occasional, willful defiance of the dispassion that characterizes the natural world.
At our best, once in a great while and with a few people, we really do care. Personally, I find that overplaying such a unique card is disingenuous given the large and other part of our nature; but nonetheless, it is quite a useful lesson to consider that we are different in a material way from all that surrounds us.
On the cave walls in Europe where one can see those very earliest paintings done by human hands, a common yet fascinating feature of the artwork has to do with the difference between how the animals are drawn and how the people are drawn. The depictions of the animals are just amazing in sweeping and fine details of bodies, motion, and interactions. Herds and groups of animals are usual, and the artwork is generally of a standard that rivals anything drawn by more "advanced" peoples thousands and thousands of years later.
But the people in the paintings are altogether different. They are often drawn standing away from the animals, alone and isolated, like observers or separate "others"—apart from the nature they are seeing. Just as oddly, the humans are almost always drawn like stick figures with little detail and sometimes even painted with a darker pigment.
Were any of the cave painters to have depicted a human with the same artistic talent with which they rendered animals, we would know in stunning preciseness exactly what paleolithic/neolithic people of Europe looked like; but no artist of that time ever did that, despite the prolific work some of them did.
That, I would submit to you, is most telling, and not just about those of that long lost time, but also about all of us of every time that will one day be long lost.
The Dark Wraith will leave the conclusions to the readers.
I liked the first season of Earth, but they lost me halfway thru the second. Great premise, poorly executed with a distinct lack of cohesion.
I miss the innocent times of being pissed off over Reagan being elected. I hardly recognize the people anymore, we are so polarized.
Good afternoon, Phoenician.
I rely with some degree of confidence upon you and the other relatively long-time readers here at The Dark Wraith Forums to understand the reasons why I write and publish these rather coldly technical articles, but I have been taken aback by recent reactions in other venues to this style of writing. It began somewhat more than a month ago, when an article I cross-posted at Big Brass Blog earned several angles of criticism largely attacking me for not making the point that I was actually making, or otherwise attacking me because I didn't have the required knee-jerk, scripted way of simplistically seeing a moment of recent history.
Less than two weeks ago, things got ugly at BlondeSense when a couple of long-time readers there, commenters whom I thought would have known better, took rather surprising exceptions to things I wrote. In one case, the reaction was nothing more than a ridiculous diatribe that I wouldn't waste so much as an electron rebutting. The other rather aggressive comment was something I need to address, but I first need to ensure that, even though I find the comment to me somewhat surprising, my answer does not carry even the slightest hint of condescension. Especially recently, I've seen several appalling examples of honest (if somewhat aggressive) counter-arguments by commenters earned everything from sneering retorts to absolutely inexcusable, vile responses without so much as an effort at reasoned rebuttal. This is a process that has been exacerbated by the current Israeli/Lebanese crisis: I see all the makings of an ugly split among progressive voices; and such a schism plays right into the hands of Republicans in November.
The worst of it came at Shakespeare's Sister, though. Aside from the Zionist wetting herself because I had the gall to note modern Israel's history of violence, there was another commenter (something of a newbie) who seemed to think I was some Right-wing denizen who needed to be insulted and ordered to go away. His second comment had a hint of threat in it, and that's the prescription for a very dangerous situation, one I've seen too many times over the years on bulletin boards, message boards, and finally on blogs, whether the commenter making the attacks was from the Right or the Left.
The challenge to me is this, Phoenician: it is not my way to use less than substantial underpinnings for my opinions, judgments, and sentiments; and I invite others to consider that their frustrations, outrages, fears, and concerns have beneath them a substrate of technical details that might very well not only inform them, but greatly enhance both the depth of their sentiments and the body of knowledge by which they can formulate both expression of their feelings and solutions to the issues of the day. This approach is at the considerable risk of having those who decline to read between the lines utterly misinterpret—and therefore wholly misunderstand—why I write as I do.
Because I have found the risk to be greater than I had anticipated at progressive blogs, I shall publish where the environment is less at peril of misinterpretation by those who decline the opportunity to read nuance behind what on the surface sometimes appears brutishly cold, calculating, and insensitive.
The Dark Wraith likes the motif around here better, anyway.
I like to learn from you because you don't talk down to me, you assume that I have a brain that is capable of interpreting more than one thing at a time. I find you to be informative and my favorite part is that you make me think.
I very rarely comment on boards for precisely the reasons you mention, not that you would know it by my participation on this thread.
Keep up the great work and I love the scenery here. Much easier to read.
In your discussion of the pros and cons of air bombardment versus a ground campaign in Lebanon, I was reminded of some comments made today by Robert Fisk during an interview on
DemocracyNow :
"You heard Sharon, before he suffered his massive stroke, he used this phrase ... “The Palestinians must feel pain.” This was during one of the intifadas. The idea that if you continue to beat and beat and beat the Arabs, they will submit, that eventually they'll go on their knees and give you what you want. And this is totally, utterly self-delusional, because it doesn't apply anymore. It used to apply 30 years ago, when I first arrived in the Middle East. If the Israelis crossed the Lebanese border, the Palestinians jumped in their cars and drove to Beirut and went to the cinema. Now when the Israelis cross the Lebanese border, the Hezbollah jump in their cars in Beirut and race to the south to join battle with them. ...But the key thing now is that Arabs are not afraid any more. Their leaders are afraid, the Mubaraks of this world, the president of Egypt, King Abdullah II of Jordan. They're afraid. They shake and tremble in their golden mosques, because they were supported by us. But the people are no longer afraid. Whether this is because they've grown tired of being afraid -- once you lose your fear you cannot be re-injected with fear, -- or whether it's because our Western forces are now at war with Islamists, not with nationalists, ... I’m not sure."
I, for one, would not be investing in Israeli war bonds anytime soon, thank you.
Good morning, Dark Wraith.
I would like to comment primarily in regard to your reply to Phonecian above.
Now, it is my predilection to await verification while maintaining suspicion; and perhaps I am a bit too reticent in consideration of what verification might entail. Nevertheless, I am inlined to act on verifications rather than suspicions.
Now, I have seen indication of this schism you speak of, and the results of my contemplation are somewhat less than I would have preferred.
First, this indicates a movement from a passive to an active state. That in itself is neither good nor bad, but is full of potential.
Second, I am of the opinion that at least a large portion of this schism is the result of narrow applications; ie a failure to see a bigger picture.
Now, I am a firm believer that greater principles guide peoples' actions, though what might constitute "a principle" is somewhat subjective.
I am trying to relate here the current state of the progressive movement, and I fear I fall short. But there is a particular weakness here.
Suppose that what the lefties really wanted to do was to clean the house. One faction proclaims that we must sweep the floors, another that we must mop, yet another that we must vacuum. They all go at it, and still the floor looks like hell.
That is very much the state of things.
Now, I, too, have at times been accused of speaking from the Repub talking points, and sometimes for merely the choice of words. Odd that. But lesson remembered.
btw, I appreciate your tone. The information itself is inflammatory enough. To take an overly aggressive tone would detract from your arguments.
Perhaps I have too clearly identified myself as an idealist, as one who would prefer facts to histrionics. Perhaps this makes me somewhat unsuited for modern media....
Nevertheless, I believe that style of writing cultivates that type of readership.
ground force combatants can and do tell the difference between dangerous adversaries and civilians.
Except, of course in Iraq, where our ground forces have become very frustrated trying to sort out the difference in a disturbingly high number of cases.
And with the unconventional types of fighting that we now see in the middle east, there is no such thing as a civilian that may not also be an enemy combatant. 'Women and children' included-- there have been a number of female suicide bombers, and children as young as six have been employed in carrying messages and smuggling weapons. For that matter, during the recent Palestinian 'intifada' there were several reports of twelve year old suicide bombers (and if there is any such thing at all as child abuse, talking a twelve year old into blowing himself up certainly qualifies.)
War has always been a dirty, messy thing-- despite the romantic vision of it we have from classicists of war as being noble and honorable (for the nobility who were often the leaders, at least) that grew out of the medieval concept of Chivalry (and yeah, even then there may have been a handful of knights who honorably fought duels without involving anyone else, but if so it was mostly for show-- the death of knights one at a time being less important in determining the outcome of wars than the deaths of large masses of lightly armed and expendible foot soldiers). Such terms as 'cannon fodder' have their origins in reality (if they weren't killed by the cannons, they were killed by disease, exposure, starvation or infection from what would today be considered minor wounds), and in those days the idea of burning a town to the ground in the dead of winter and killing all of the male children who might realistically reach the age where they could fight before the war might be over was pretty much a given in war. Massacres of all the inhabitants happened disturbingly often too-- just look at some of the things that happened in our own history during the Indian wars.
The concept of 'atrocities' is a twentieth century concept, as were the Geneva conventions, but war has always been fought as a dirty, ugly thing. And no amount of 'Gallant knight on a dashing white steed' fake romanticism can change that fundamental fact.
In fact, to follow up and tie it back to your post, the sort of low-casualty, low exposure to its effects type of fighting that you have with an air war is exactly what the leaders of a country need, given that the tolerance of a public for war is directly proportional to how long it's been since they were exposed to its true nature. For instance, Britain's entry into the Crimean war was marked by much pomp and pageantry. Only the old men of the time were able to talk about the 'glory days' of fighting in the Napoleonic wars, and the younger generation was spoiling to earn their mettle. Sure, there had been that little spat with China in 1842, but by then the Chinese were an easy prey, not the same as a 'modern, European army' and British casualties had been pretty low. But after Britain's experience in the war, the reality of widows and orphans becoming numerous in society, the reality of large enough numbers of one legged men hobbling down the street that they could not be ignored, the reality of morphine addicts and men who were physically just fine but mentally ruined, with the pointless slaughter described in 'the Charge of the Light Brigade' coming home to roost in thousands of homes, the English appetite for warfare decreased (though of course the low numbers of casualties that accompanied running a colonial empire kept England in that business for quite awhile longer). America's leaders were blessed with the fact that since Vietnam, American had not been in a 'messy' war. Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I, Kosovo-- all accomplished quickly, cleanly and with relatively few casualties. And so it was easy for them to sell the current war in Iraq. The 'Vietnam sydrome' as it was called, was gone.
But now it's back. And the price that they have paid for their stupid invasion of Iraq is that it is unlikely that they will be able to rally support for an invasion of Iran or anyplace else in the future.
And that is a good thing. War should be a last resort, never a first option.
Good morning, Eli Blake.
Your note about the historical reality of knights was mentioned in a recent thread here. Even during the Middle Ages, when the ideal of the chivalrous knight was widely promoted, many people knew better. As I pointed out, Chaucer used delicious double- and triple-entendre to drive home the fact that knights had become nothing more than mercenaries for a "sovereign price" (where 'sovereign' carried the meaning of 'high' and of 'for the king' and of 'exclusive to those not common').
In fact, however, the idea that knights were spared in combat is only partially correct. Yes, the foot soldiers were ground into dust in those ungodly, Medieval battles, but knights started getting slaughtered, too, and in rather appalling numbers during campaigns in the western side of the Orient. What had been complete cakewalks roaring down the European theatre—where unspeakable butchery was enjoyed by the noble knights—rather quickly turned into the occasional and shocking rout once they hit Muslim turf. Most definitely, the European knights did their share of damage, and it was their foot soldiers who took the brunt of the casualties, but the knights, themselves, got their ranks culled, too. In some cases, it was because of nothing more than bad war planning; in other cases, it was because they committed their outrages too frequently and on peoples who would otherwise have left them to continue on their way into the Middle East.
And I do agree with you that the term "atrocity" is quite the invention of modern, "high" civilization and represents a nuanced grasp of an ancient phenomenon of war, hegemony, and occupation. However, the understanding of large-scale butchery as monstrous is certainly not new. Some of the passages I quote in my article La'ana-hum Allah render ample evidence that there were two strikingly different views of what European forces were doing during the Crusades: on the one hand were those who stood to benefit greatly from the spoils of atrocities, who bragged endlessly and in high manner, invoking the Lord God Himself as the author of their work; but on the other hand were the chroniclers whose narratives were relatively factual on the surface, but nonetheless lamentations of the most painful kind. In fact, this latter group comprised not only Muslim writers, but also some Christian witnesses, as well—men of the Church who knew that what was happening was just plain wrong on a fundamental, unforgivable level.
This, by the way, was a major bone of contention that eventually led me to abanon my writings in the Medieval History forum of About.com. The good scholars there were forever damning those who even so much as looked like they were passing some moral judgment on the Medieval Roman Catholic Church. I had no use, myself, for the hateful anti-Catholic commenters (who wouldn't let up with their strange swill, looking for anything and everything that could "prove" that Catholics were and still are some evil creatures), but neither did I have any use for those who made the utterly ridiculous argument that applying "modern standards" to those of antiquity is improper and incorrect. That defense—that somehow we "know better" or "see things differently now," but that our ancestors had completely different world views—is just ridiculous and represents moral relativism at its very worst (and very most vulnerable to Right-wing, fundamentalist Christian attack). It got really difficult when I took a swipe at the Romans, who seem to have some mystical, god-like status among many historians. I noted that Marcus Aurelius disgusted me: on the one hand, he was given to his ever-so sensitive, heartfelt, deep poetry, while on the other hand he was overseeing—consciously, willfully, and prejudicially—the wholesale slaughter of early Christians (and others), principally because their religion offered a rather strong and persistent alternative to the weary harangue of his own Stoicism.
I'd had enough when a Roman historian came back with the relatively recent argument that the persecutions of Christians were "overstated" and the result of successful propaganda by the Christians, themselves, of that time and later.
Whatever. The point is that, regardless of words used, apologies made, or justifications crafted, people throughout history have known exactly what they were doing when they were doing what was patently monstrous. That we should in some way understand and accept this as the way of humanity is to suggest that, at the end of the day, any contrary vision of ourselves in the here and now is an aberration that will surely pass in due course, to be supplanted by the more enlightened, if entirely inhumane, ancient ways that will surely to return to visit old horror on the new world.
I'm not quite ready to buy that—not quite yet, anyway. In other words, I'm not convinced that Neo-conservatism is all that ready to be embraced.
The Dark Wraith will have to wait to complete his descent into complete and pure cynicism.
Good afternoon, Dark Wraith,
If someone was watching us from outer space would they think we were civilized?
I prefer to imagine the sentient species of the galaxy waiting patiently for us to realize that war is wasteful and never settles anything. And, that when we as a species embrace intelligent rule of law, justice and liberty for all, regardless -
Then and only then will they lift the barricade, and welcome us into the adult world.
First we must solve the conundrum that we find ourselves in:
1. We know how to kill ourselves and every living thing on the planet, thereby making war, in a practical sense, untenable.
2. We know how to use diplomacy and compromise, compassion and rule of law to live together peacefully.
Yet, we so far nearly always choose war, destruction and genocide to settle conflicts.
Until then, we don't deserve to be in sentient company, and we would be a danger to sentients as well as ourselves.
Good evening, Dark Wraith.
I believe you're letting your pessimism get the best of you here:
"...any contrary vision of ourselves in the here and now is an aberration that will surely pass in due course, to be supplanted by the more enlightened, if entirely inhumane, ancient ways..."
But please, allow me to offer you an alternative vision, if only an alternative vision of doom.
Suppose now that we were to overcome our collective past as a species, rather than succumb to it. Hmmm....
Wouldst thou go amongst men? Firstly, thou must learn to cleanse thine hands with dirty water.
Good evening, Progressive Traditionalist.
Ah, you missed my framing, obtuse as it was (as usual). That paragraph from which you quoted was a cautionary statement. My point was that it is when we excuse our ancestors for somehow "not knowing any better" that we allow ourselves the luxury of descent into something less than we in our own time can be as as individuals, as modern societies, and as a great civilization. Far too many are those who apologize for outrages of antiquity as a veil for anticipating that they, themselves, will avoid the damnation of future history. Worse, by excusing those who came before us as somehow "less" civilized, we find the seeds of excuses for our own lesser status.
The Bahai'i faith holds my view of the past as too harsh: societies do evolve from less complexity in moral understanding to greater complexity, and it is in this social evolution that a keener awareness of strong, clear delineations between right and wrong emerge as a function of time, both within a society and across civilizations aware of their antecedents.
I do think about that view, but in the end I reject it. First, "evolution" in the social sense is somewhat unlike evolution in the biological sense, although the former certainly gives appearances to the contrary; but second, even to the extent that "evolutions" of such forms as biological, social, economic, linguistic, and whatever else are similar, there is a basic set of misunderstandings about how evolution works. Things don't slowly evolve; instead evolution is a long, long chain of punctuated equilibria. In other words, evolving systems don't have long strings of "missing links," but instead have long periods of status quo that abruptly collapse to new, greater complexity; but these catastrophic events of change happen only rarely and suddenly over great periods of time and can be almost unnoticed even when they do occur.
Linguistics offers a good example. There is no such thing as a "primitive" language (at least one that is not a forced construct). Language appeared on the scene at some point in the past hundred thousand years or so, and it arrived ready and fully equipped for the conveyance of thought. Even the oldest of languages of which we know are very complicated. If anything, English is about as brutishly simple as a language can get and still be functional (which is, by the way, one of the principal reasons it has survived and flourished). But the point is that languages don't get any "better" as time goes on.
In the same way, species don't get "better" as time goes on. Evolution is not about "improvement"; it is simply about adaptation, and what is in one ecosystem at one point in time quite workable will almost assuredly in a panoply of other systems be utterly fatal.
By the same token, societies don't get more "sophisticated," more "moral," more "aware," or more anything else (except perhaps more destructive in some cases). In that light, we cannot allow for the monsters, the maniacs, and the twisted leaders and their followers of times past to have any slack on account of their "not knowing any better."
That's the point I was making, Progressive Traditionalist: if we allow for the beasts of history to be pitied or admired for their ignorance of the awfulness of their ways, we then have but a short journey back into the black abyss of history whence we are struggling so desperately to emerge.
That we very well might fail is not in doubt. That we should fight against the cruelty of the coming return to the night is more than our duty: the dark, cold future is not our destiny; it is, instead, our choice.
The Dark Wraith has spoken enough of hope.
Good evening, SB Gypsy.
Imagine an alternative. If we are, indeed, one of the elder "intelligent" species of the galaxy, we could very well begin our journey outward fully equipped as we are with the brutality of all our ancestors and the technology of all our intelligence. In fact, if we don't begin to spread, we could very well eliminate our kind: as such, a diaspora would be a reasonable way to avoid having to change while removing the consequent extinction at our own hand.
Imagine that: as brutal, untrustworthy, and mean as we are, becoming Empire in an expanding sphere of space. If there were other civilizations technologically advanced but peaceful, the dynamic of interaction would be awful, just as it has been here on Earth when our "high" civilization has come into contact with more peaceful peoples of the world.
The Dark Wraith does not like the odds on a good outcome to what might lie ahead.
I like to learn from you because you don't talk down to me, you assume that I have a brain that is capable of interpreting more than one thing at a time. I find you to be informative and my favorite part is that you make me think.
Exactly. I would venture to say that in my eight years of university studies that this class room and professor rank in the top few. I wish could shake his hand and say thanks.
You just did, Mr. Goat.
good morning dw
i'll echo mr. goat's comment.
i find that often i am unable to sense a "side" to your expositions, which is marvelously refreshing. i do see how some might take umbrage at what they read into your essays, not that you offered anything save informed observation, but because they can't just read something without seeing the machinations of their own devious personalities.
and mucho kudos to the commenters here. more often than not someone has already said what i would have, and more clearly than i could have. also, i type very slowly.
roger
I rely with some degree of confidence upon you and the other relatively long-time readers here at The Dark Wraith Forums to understand the reasons why I write and publish these rather coldly technical articles, but I have been taken aback by recent reactions in other venues to this style of writing.
All I know is that, despite being a wargamer earlier, I find it increasingly difficult to read technical descriptions of weapons and strategy anymore. I keep being distracted by the sound of people screaming in my head.
There's a quote from Iain M Banks' "Excession" that covers it nicely:
"It was a warship after all. It was built, *designed* to glory in destruction, when it was considered appropriate. It found, as it was rightly and properly supposed to, an awful beauty in both the weaponry of war and the violence and devastation that weaponry was capable of inflicting, and yet it knew that attractiveness stemmed from a kind of insecurity, a sort of childishness. It could see that - by some criteria - a warship, just by the perfectly articulated purity of its purpose, was the most beautiful single artifact the Culture was capable of producing and at the same time understand the paucity of moral vision such a judgement implied. To fully appreciate the beauty of a weapon was to admit to a kind of shortsightedness close to blindness, to confess to a sort of stupidity. The weapon was not itself; nothing was solely itself. The weapon, like anything else, could only finally be judged by the effect it had on others, by the consequences it produced in some outside context, by its place in the rest of the universe. By this measure the love, or just the appreciation, of weapons was a kind of tragedy."
Good Evening Dark Wraith:
re Quoth The Dark Wraith. Very good. I often wonder what the body counts would be like if the people who made the messes actually had to do the cleaning up, or, at least, pay the bills. If the generals had to walk the field like Henry V after Agincourt, or Sherman and Grant after Shiloh. Walking among the grusome results of their grand ideas. Lincoln knew well what he was saying when he talked about "the terrible arithmetic" of war, because he made it a point to expose himself to that lesson. Having been to some of the massive graveyards in Europe I wonder if we really do ourselves that fine a service by burying our dead one at a time, here and there. There isn't a monsterous field of stones like there is at Gettysburg or Sharpesburg or Richmond. Nothing like the row after row of white stones that you see in France, Belgium, Holland, Italy, North Africa, Guadalcanal or Okinawa. The impact is lessened. Maybe the costs are hidden from us this way, like a stupid accounting trick.
Maybe the Iraq memorial will be a great big maxed out credit card.
Good morning, Dark Wraith.
The word Hizballah seems to have the same meaning as Hezbollah, etc. Can you tell me why one spelling would be used over the other? I've wondered about that for some time. Thanks.
Good morning, Trailer Trash.
Good question. (Complicated answer, though.) Here we go.
I shall start with something that seems a little bit off-topic. Let's divide languages of Western Europe into two types: synthetic and analytic.
Synthetic languages primarily use word morphology—how words are pronounced, or "shaped"—to convey meaning within the context of a sentence or other spoken or written thought. A given word can sound and be written differently depending upon the use it has within a sentence. By this means, the words of a sentence can be somewhat re-arranged, and the sentence will still have the same meaning because it's the way the words are "shaped" that tells whether they are, say, subjects or objects.
Analytic languages operate by relatively strict rules of word ordering (i.e., "syntax"). In an analytic language, for example, a noun is a subject because it is at the beginning of the sentence. In a synthetic language, on the other hand, a noun would be a subject because of the way it is pronounced, spelled, or both.
English used to be a classic example of a synthetic language: "inflections" (sounds and spellings on the end or on the root vowel of the word) were many and somewhat nuanced, as was the case with the languages of the Latin family. (English is a germanic language, rather separate from the Latin languages like French and Spanish.)
Interestingly, when the Normans occupied England, starting in the middle of the 11th Century, they imposed their version of French on the English; but this had the fascinating effect of causing the English speakers to rapidly (over a period of less than a century!) "creolize" their native tongue, English. By that, I mean that English quickly began to radically simplify: those ancient inflections began to vanish in spoken, everyday conversation; and because in that time words were written pretty much strictly phonetically, the written words began to show this simplification effect. It was a remarkable and swift change: word morphology could no longer govern word meaning within a given sentence, so word ordering (which had always been there to some extent, anyway, in Low German) had to entirely take over the duty of conveying word meaning. That meant words became much more standardized from sentence to sentence.
Now, English still to this day retains some old "fossils" of the ancient way. Notice that, when you use a regular verb like "look," you use it as follows:
I look.
We look.
You look.
They look.
But!
He looks.
Do you see the old fossil on the third-person singular? There's an inflection on the verb! That's the ancient, synthetic form of English still whispering to us across almost a thousand years.
Okay, now you're thinking to yourself, 'What in Heaven's name does this have to do with my question?' Well, that's actually somewhat easy. Arabic and Western languages share deep roots in the Indus valley languages of many thousands of years ago. The connections are much subtler than those between, say, American English and High German or even between, say, British English and Classical Latin; but nevertheless, the connections are there, and one of the most obvious places to see the connections (aside from the occasional, suspiciously similar sounding word and name) is in the use of inflections. In fact, with Arabic, Hebrew, and other languages, you sometimes have have to know even what letter shape to use in a word you are writing, based upon what function the word is serving in the sentence and where the letter is placed in the word in which it is being used.
Now, this means that, if I want to say "Party of God," I need to know how the word parts of that phrase would be pronounced in different contexts, and how the entire block would be pronounced in different usages. That's where it gets really tricky.
Hiz b' would be a rather blunt form of "Party of" (or "Formal Association of"). Allah would be the more-or-less classical pronunciation for our proper noun for "God."
Put those together, and you have something of a generic noun phrase for "Party of God": Hiz b'Allah, or Hizballah for short (taking away the contraction/"cut-off" represented by the " ' " mark, since those kinds of non-Western sounds aren't all that easy for speakers of Western languages).
So where does the more popular spelling and implied pronunciation "Hezbollah" come from? Well, for one thing, that pronunciation would be fairly commonly found in Lebanese dialectic accents. (It would also be favored by Iranians or maybe Turks saying the noun phrase.) The dialect under consideration would definitely drive the pronunciation: the inflection on the root vowel of the principal noun could sound like an e, an i, or even (as I've heard it) almost a flat, u. Also, the word "Allah" would inflect on its root vowel, which happens to be the first a, so you might (depending upon the dialect) hear an o sound, an a sound, or even an almost "grunted" u sound.
Hence, "Party of God" could come out being phonetically spelled for Westerners in quite a few ways, among which are these (with some of these being more reasonable variants than others):
Hizballah
Hizbollah
Hizbullah
Hezballah
Hezbollah
Hezbullah
So, why do I write it as Hizballah? I do it that way because it approaches what I would consider a generic-form pronunciation. It's not quite accurate, and it's not quite the way a Lebanese would say it in a conversational mode, but it serves the purpose of standardizing my spelling of it from one context to another.
Is anyone still awake?
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...Where is everybody?!
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Huh. I think I just bored everybody to death.
The Dark Wraith should have known better than to start writing about linguistics again.
Good afternoon, Dark Wraith.
No, I wasn't sleeping, that was someone else snoring, okay?
That was a terrific answer. I was happy to read the whole thing. It explains a lot of the different spellings I've wondered about. In fact, I never thought about the "allah" part of the word, but now.... ahhhh, your explanation clarifies so much!
OT DW
An article came out today titled:
2 teens arrested in theft of VA laptop
Still it seems no one is asking exactly WHY that VA Employee had that laptop with all that data at his home...where it was stolen by these two kids...
DW,
What ever happened to Esperanto?
Good evening, PoliShifter.
And no one is explaining why the data management, storage, and security protocols were so lax to begin with. It still just stuns me: that theft revealed atrociously lax standards at the VA. Moreover, as you imply, that incident leaves me wondering to this day why that data was on that machine, anyway. As I noted previously, I suspect that it was more than just a matter of a database that just "happened" to be on a laptop that was floating around in the civilian world outside of secure areas.
But then again, I'm always looking for a good, malicious reason for government actions. Mind you, not that the government doesn't display stunning incompetence that could well explain all the nonsense during the Bush years, but I strongly suspect that their incompetence is the only reason their malice hasn't done even more damage than it has.
But then again, I'm still more than a little on the sore side about that VA fiasco in particular. Come to think of it, every time I start probing my inner feelings about that incident, my feelings tell me I'll find true, genuine closure only when I've had the opportunity to "go Israel" on some neo-con's backside.
The Dark Wraith likes the idea of "going Israel" on someone.
Good evening, Father Tyme.
Esperanto failed the most important of all features of a language: need. Languages exist because of the need for people to communicate with one another. As I teach in my occasional seminars called "The Mother Tongue," a language carries the experiences, the thinking, the history, the religions, and so much more, of an entire people, captured at the moment in time when the language is used.
I really don't like looking down on the way people think, but when I hear this stuff about "English only," I just shake my head at the sheer ignorance of those who would imagine that English needs to be "protected" from foreign languages, when in fact English is such a powerful language exactly because it is so adaptable that it can absorb one language after another, one set of new experiences and histories right after another, and still remain "English" as a definable thing.
Esperanto is artificial. No language that is a forced construct can recapitulate that which causes a language to exist in the first place and to endure and flourish in the long run. That's not how languages work.
When people who don't speak the same language are forced to come together and communicate, quite often they'll put together out of compelling need a simple, temporary language, one whose features typically reflect the dominant group within the amalgam. We call such a temporary language a "pidgin." If the peoples stay together long enough, this pidgin will structure itself into a full-blown language, again reflecting in its base a large component of the dominant or "prestige" group within the emerging society. From there, dialects will form, often within otherwise definable socio-economic groups, and some of these "lower" dialects will be more heavily influenced by sub-dominants in the overall hierarchy of the society at large.
But alway, always there is a natural force propelling the construction, propagation, and stability of the language, even if that language is very new to the tongues of the Earth.
Esperanto could not survive and flourish simply because it was not the result of a natural process of language construction by peoples in need of a way of communicating. People—even those who don't speak a word of one another's language—will find their own way to communicate, be it through an agree-upon existing tongue or one forced on the situation. But whatever language arises and endures will not be something that has been slapped together by theoreticians who know better than those who would actually use a language to communicate in the real world. Plenty of languages already exist to fulfill the needs peoples of different places have in social intercourse. In fact, most peoples of the Earth gravitate toward English, and that's not merely because we Americans are in some way "dominant," but rather because ours is the "prestige" language—relatively simple, extraordinarily flexible, and relatively open to both bluntness and nuance in usage.
English is, in fact, so robust that it will survive even those who think that, after a thousand years of living, growing, and spreading, it needs to be protected with legislation by a parliament of American political semi-literates at this late date here in the 21st Century.
The Dark Wraith doesn't have any patience at all for the language of nonsense.
English is, in fact, so robust that it will survive even those who think that, after a thousand years of living, growing, and spreading,...
You make it sound as if it is verbal virus.
Good evening, Mr. Goat.
That analogy is not without merit: English, like several of its predecessors, does have a viral nature in that it "infects" a society into which it is introduced at the level of how the members of that society reproduce their cultural experiences over the generations after English has become a part of the society's communication structures. And the more a culture is captured in the frame of a given language, the more the society becomes dependent upon that language for a broad range of communications because the language starts to shape the way people think and frame their world, which makes it increasingly difficult not to use that language to convey socially compatible and understandable thoughts.
Interesting, isn't it?
The Dark Wraith should probably note that he is not promoting English, but rather only reporting on its infective efficiency.
DW,
English is ever evolving. Change happens (to paraphrase another popular saying). When a language evolves, it’s usually out of necessity. However, I’ve noticed remarkable changes just in our lifetime. Changes that don’t seem to have anything to do with that necessity.
Oh, you can ‘gag me with a spoon’ and add words because everyone uses them. That’s a part of the evolution (non-intelligent design?) of English but what I’ve noticed is that people try to speak above their level. A number of years ago on a local news channel here in Western Pa. (noted for some really strange dialects) an anchor (woman) was reporting on Princess Diana. When she referred to Diana, she called her the ‘Princess of HWales’ with some extreme pronounced emphasis on the H before the W. She followed with H-Wheat and H-What. I was H-Waiting for her to use Woo for who, but she disappointed me. She now works for Fox! Go figure!
Another word that makes people feel more vocabularily (?) impressive is often. Sometime between the 50s and 80s it became fashionable to pronounce the ‘T’. Don’t know why. I guess it just made them sound more important.
Reading news on TV is a joke. Mis-pro-nown-ciations, incorrect usage of words, incorrect words themselves seem to indicate an effort on these reader's parts to impress the audience with their intellect.
Carl Sagan once commented on George Lucas’s inaccurate usage of facts in the movie "StarWars". Han Solo mentioned that he did the ‘Kessel Run’ in less than 10 parsecs or something to that effect. That’s like saying we traveled from New York to L.A. in less than 10 miles. Sagan asked why he (Lucas) couldn’t just simply have hired a grad student to check the facts of the script before they shot the movie. Lucas took him up on that.
Why can’t the networks hire a competent English major to proof read stories before these louts make fools of themselves? On the other hand, maybe we’re so used to the ‘gutter English’ we really don’t care. Either that or there are relatively few competent English majors out there! (None of your students, though!)
I’ve written a few papers on the subject of word evolution and another that I’ve become interested in lately. That is the actual speech patterns that have changed just in the last 50 years. We sure doesn’t talks the ways we did backs then.
English rules; well it used to! Gotta go to try to placate my spell checker. I think it’s having a breakdown!
Good Afternoon Dark Wraith
if we are, indeed, one of the elder "intelligent" species of the galaxy, we could very well begin our journey outward fully equipped as we are with the brutality of all our ancestors and the technology of all our intelligence. In fact, if we don't begin to spread, we could very well eliminate our kind: as such, a diaspora would be a reasonable way to avoid having to change while removing the consequent extinction at our own hand.
I think it'll take more than one country, it will take the cooperation of everyone if we're to get off the earth and spread our seeds thru the galaxy.
The nature of the challenge is what separates the wheat from the chaff. If you as a species can cooperate well enough, then you might manage to expand from your originating planet. We were almost there.
However, if you keep your wars going, you as a species will go the route of countries like North Korea - chronic poverty and famine. That's why the Bush admin is so very scary to me. We seem to be allowing our govt to choose that route.
And it's doubly distressing because it's been proven that justice and liberty and education breed prosperity in a feedback loop. And the bigger the peaceful and prosperous economy, the bigger the cut of the pie.
The test, or obstacle is that the selfish greedy guts among us would rather let the human race die out before they let one penny escape their grasping fingers.
So, we choose, or let the greedy choose by default, if we will expand as a species into a new environment, or if we will go the route of any species which has outgrown it's environment: we'll die out, or die back and maybe try again in a few tens of thousands of years.
The laws of nature and physics don't care if we think we're special.
I really don't like looking down on the way people think, but when I hear this stuff about "English only," I just shake my head at the sheer ignorance of those who would imagine that English needs to be "protected" from foreign languages, when in fact English is such a powerful language exactly because it is so adaptable that it can absorb one language after another, one set of new experiences and histories right after another, and still remain "English" as a definable thing.
Or, more pointedly,
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -— James D. Nicoll
Good Evening Dark Wraith:
I've been trying all day to get stuff up but I'm at my mother's place and her cable provider got gobbled up by a conglomerate and her service has been spotty. My favorite example of the Norman influence on English is at the dinner table. Meat on the hoof (cow, pig, deer) is based on the old english where meat on the table (beef, pork, venison) is based on the french. Alive, out where you're taking care of it the english is what's applied, when you're serving it to the master, tell him in a way that he'll understand. Interesting stuff indeed. The best example of how confusing rendering Arabic to English can be I recall was in the publisher's notes at the front of Lawrence's Revolt In The Desert where the publisher sends a note regarding a favorite camel of Lawrence's whose name is spelled six or seven different ways throughout the manuscript. He asked which was correct and Lawrence scribbled at the bottom of the note she was a noble beast.
Faced with horseplay and shenanigans by the 2nd Clarinet of the orchestra during a rehearsal, Hans Richter, German conductor, (1843–1916) uttered these famous words:
"Up with your damned nonsense will I put twice, or perhaps once, but sometimes always, by God, never."
English is not as bad as German to construct, Peter. The old story goes that, at an international meeting, the German stood up to speak, with his English translator sitting nearby at the ready. The German began his oratory, but the translator said nothing.
After a matter of more than a few seconds, a lady sitting next to the translator whisper, "Are you not suppose to be translating?"
The dignified British translator gave her a side glance and said, "Patience, madam. I'm waiting for the verb."
The Dark Wraith likes short subjects and nouns that have fewer than ten syllables.
Hello Gorgeous,
I am almost finished with my shrine to the American god- the missile. The only part I didn't make yet was the missile because I don't know which one I should model the golden idol after. Can you please suggest an appropriate one for the altar? It's ok if it looks very phallic. Actually I thought of gluing little fins on a dildo and painting it gold.
kisses
Good evening, Minstrel Boy.
Quite a long time back, I wrote a long-winded comment on the subject of how the Norman-French pushed into the English language the distinction between an animal and the meat from the animal. The Anglo-Saxons had no problem with eating "cow" and "pig," but the French sensibilities tended toward eating "boeuf" and "porc," instead.
At one time some years ago during my days as a consultant, I tried to explain this to some entrepreneurs who were trying to market buffalo and buffalo-cow meats. They actually farm-raised ostriches, too. They had no patience whatsoever for "theoretical mumbo-jumbo," and they suffered accordingly, as has television station and sports team owner Ted Turner in his venture into the world of alternative meats. If someone would have the common sense and financial wherewithal to simply impose an artificial name on the meat of those stupid beasts, the public would be much more receptive.
The same issue is true with other edibles, too, by the way. Before "portobello" (or portabella") mushrooms were so named in a wide, mass-marketing campaign, they had only a rather limited market; but now that those butt-ugly excuses for fungus have an oh-so-Italian-cuisinie kind of name, they're just delicious. "Portobello" sounds tastier than "mature crimini (or cremini) mushroom" and most definitely more flavorful than Agaricus bisporus.
['cuisinie'?!]
Anyway, another example is the word "sushi," which is actually more of a way of preparation than it is a food, itself. "Calamari" is another one: I swear, if people were to actually come to grips with what it is they're eating when they're eating that stuff, most of them would blow their groceries.
Ditto for that green liquid stuff that some people claim is the ultimate delicacy inside a lobster. It's called the "tomalley"—the liver/pancreas digestive gland. It's supposed to be slurped, according to a Japanese fellow who explained all kinds of things to me when I went to a "real" sushi place once in another land. That was my last visit to a real sushi place, mind you: on the menu were live creatures of the sea, including a "jumping salad" (live shrimp) and several other beasts of the water that should have met their Maker some time before we came together for a meal.
Although the general rule about naming meats other than by their animal names holds true, in this particular instance, the fact that everything had a foreign name made no difference. And even for the items on the trays that I couldn't identify by animal name, the Asian words for them didn't do one little bit to convince me that I wasn't in dire need of hosing the room with the contents of my stomach.
I didn't, of course: for one thing, I was trying to be a gracious guest; for another, I figured that some of the people in that twisted restaurant would think my bile was the Chef's Special.
The Dark Wraith has a limit to his patience with internationalism.
That was my last visit to a real sushi place, mind you: on the menu were live creatures of the sea, including a "jumping salad" (live shrimp) and several other beasts of the water that should have met their Maker some time before we came together for a meal.
Especially in this case.