Special Blog Post:
Securities Scams and the Weather Forecast for Hell
That having been said, commercial speech does not enjoy the same rights and priviledges as private speech, so I make no apology for deleting the spam. It was posted here in the furtherance of a promotion of a security with which I have no affiliation whatsoever. The unauthorized use of The Dark Wraith Forums to promote any security constitutes, in my judgment, cyber trespass, among other torts.
The IP address of the commenter indicates that the post was made by a promoter who has most likely received compensation to make representations on behalf of the company that was the subject of the offending comment. In my last years as a business consultant, I spent quite a bit of effort trying to keep the officers and directors of client companies from doing exactly this kind of thing, either on their own or through promoters. I had learned that this was unacceptable, inappropriate, and in some circumstances illegal. It was also in at least some cases part of an "overall plan or scheme" pursuant to what we called a "pump and dump": the promotion of the security was intended to bring in buy orders, which would induce the market makers to push the bid price up. The higher the price, the more the insiders and promoters could get as they sold their stock off pursuant to Rule 144 or some kind of registration statement.
Pump and dump schemes don't work all that often. The buy volume has to get pretty serious, even on a penny stock, before the market makers will start to react. Usually, the entire effort gets a few suckers to buy into a penny stock, and they end up with bupkis.
Once in a while, though, some version of a pump and dump actually does work. The buy volume soars, driving the price of the security up into the treetops. The suckers get just all giddy about how smart they are, and they tell other suckers-in-the-making, who tell other wannabe suckers. Once the demand pressure pushes the stock price high enough, all kinds of sell orders start popping out of the woodwork: consultants dumping their S-8 stock, spouses and kids of insiders uncorking their stock, odd-sounding corporations pounding their stock out, and the insiders getting rid of as much of their insider stock as they can pursuant to restrictions under Rule 144.
In the end, the stock price comes back to Earth, and the suckers who held on, thinking the sky's the limit, learn instead that, in fact, the bottom of a small crater is the limit, and their investment money makes a nice carpet of losses to line the hole in the ground.
The Dark Wraith Forums will never sponsor, support, nor sanction a statement encouraging the purchase of a specific security. In fact, it is my intention to help people understand stocks, bonds, options, futures, and other financial instruments enough to have a healthy fear of the risks involved in foolhardy investments. Securities markets are a world of massively large investors, highly educated and seasoned professionals, powerful computers, high-speed connections, incomprehensibly complex streams of information, and money beyond your wildest dreams. It's also a world of con artists, companies that are already dead whose officers and directors have not yet gotten the clue, brilliant ideas that will never see the break for daylight, honest-to-god geniuses that just don't know how to run a business, and a whole lot of promoters who will pump out e-mails, "newsletters," faxes, press releases, and other hype just to get a pile of stock or a paycheck.
As an investor, at best you're going to make money by investing cautiously and in broad-based portfolios managed by people who know more than you do about that world. For every person about whom you might have heard who made a fortune in some penny stock, there are a couple zillion others who got their clocks roundly cleaned trying to get rich on the cheap in securities markets. I watched it happen.
If you want to get rich quickly, marry into wealth.
If you're too ugly to attract a well-to-do partner, buy some lottery tickets. With probabilities of winning in the tens or hundreds of millions to one against, you're still more likely to hit the big score than you would in the world of securities scams. And as an added bonus, unlike a rich spouse, a winning lottery ticket won't expect you to act properly in public.
The bottom line is simple: if you're looking for advice on what securities to buy, you won't find it at The Dark Wraith Forums.
Not, at least, until the day I change the name of this blog to the Sunny Investment Dweebs Forums. And that's going to happen the day that Hell freezes over.
The Dark Wraith has spoken.
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Ring Ring
Hello?
Hello, Mr Goat?
Who's calling?
I'm Sunny Dweeb with Financial (mumble mumble). I wanted to introduce myslef and send you some information on our firm. The next time I have a stock recommendation I'd like to be able to call you. What do you think?
Piss off.
Click
My favorite thought with regards to "the next new hot company" comes after someone decides to remind the potential buyer that "this could be the next [take your pick] Ford, GM, Toyota".
Yes, and they are the survivors after a century of brutal shakedowns. When I was born in 1960, I think there were something like six major American car makers (American, Chrysler, Ford, GM, Jeep(?), and Studebaker); now there are two (Chrysler is the American subsidiary of a GERMAN car maker).
What happened to Packard, Pierce-Arrow, Stanley, LaSalle, Auburn, Cord, or Deusenberg (from which was coined the slang word "doozy")?
That's the risk you take....
- oddjob
(Misspelled Duesenberg...)
Good evening, Mr. Goat.
Gr.
The Dark Wraith has no patience for promoters from Sunny Dweeb Financial.
I am sure, OddJob, that there are companies out there that will, indeed, be the next General Motors or IBM or Microsoft.
Dear God.
The Dark Wraith should have stopped with the first two examples.
I assume you have seen the movie Boiler Room? Very authenticly scripted cold calls in comparison to some of the calls I have received.
These guys usually have a bit more riding on the call, so they're a bit easier to tweak (relative to some telemarketers) if you show the least bit of indecision or a hint of interest. I was playing one currency trader for a couple of months before he essentially told me to piss off. The nerve of some people.
Me thinks we could have a book in the making Mr. Wraith, Hints For Playing Your Stockbroker Long.
Dear God.
The Dark Wraith should have stopped with the first two examples.
oddjob sits here alone clapping!
The suckers get just all giddy about how smart they are, and they tell other suckers-in-the-making, who tell other wannabe suckers. If you want to get rich quickly, marry into wealth.
If you're too ugly to attract a well-to-do partner, buy some lottery tickets. With probabilities of winning in the tens or hundreds of millions to one against, you're still more likely to hit the big score than you would in the world of securities scams. And as an added bonus, unlike a rich spouse, a winning lottery ticket won't expect you to act properly in public.
Financial counseling and wealth planning for the future!
Don't ever say this forum is boring!
It's too late to buy lottery tickets now, but just wait until tomorrow:)
hello dark one.....i'm guessing that you refer to my comment. LOL. i was too dense to recognize the spam for what it was, and so made light of it. i did notice later that you had deleted the d**m thing, explained why, and left my comment. i considered asking you to delete my then-senselessly-uncontexted remark but the garden was calling (oh, the siren song of the veggies, pleading for relief from weeds) so i decided that appearing a bit silly was the least of my worries, as sometimes my comments leave the impression of stunning stupidity.
Oh, and since we were speaking about the risks of investing, this (hat tip, Julien's List) is tangential and will be of interest to some.
- oddjob
Such a deal I have for you!:
I'll trade you one blind crab
for two without teeth.
Good evening, Dread Pirate Roberts.
I didn't see any evidence of stupidity at all in your response to that spam posting. In fact, you pretty much figured that it was some kind of hustle, but you allowed for the possibility that I actually was endorsing some penny stock, and that's exactly why I reacted as aggressively as I did, not just in writing this Special Blog Post, but also in turning the matter over to securities regulators of competent jurisdictions.
I want that promoter to get in hot water, but I also want that company burned. Usually, the officers and directors will howl that they had nothing to do with the particulars of the promotional methods used, but that holds no water whatsoever: the promoter is acting as an agent of the company; as such, the company is going to bear strict liability for the actions of that promoter.
Lately, I've seen so many e-mail messages promoting this or that penny stock, and the content of that junk just floors me. In my day as a consultant, if I'd done anything even remotely like what they're doing, I would have been the Featured Special in the Fresh Meat aisle at some federal penitentiary.
What's so funny about it is that securities law has gotten all righteous lately with this new Sarbanes-Oxley abomination that places huge new burdens on reporting companies, and yet the scams are more common than ever. Forgive me for beating an old-time drum of Paleo-Conservatism, but here we have another example of new laws being made to cover up the utter absence of effective enforcement of old laws. The Securities Act of 1933, the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and several other laws and amendments enacted after that, along with the regulations that attended and animated the laws, were powerful tools if they had ever been enforced the way they could have been.
We see the same thing, of course, with all of these new laws under the Patriot Act and similar legislation. Had the incompetents in the minions of the Bush Administration utilized the law enforcement apparatus, the laws, the technology, the regulatory bodies, and the other resources at their disposal in anything even remotely resembling a competent manner, the attacks of September 11, 2001, would probably not have been successful. But now we all pay with a massive body of new laws—and new laws almost always establish new restrictions on rights and liberties—to compensate for the failures of the neo-cons.
The sad part is that the majority of Americans still, to this very day in one way or another, "accept" that we as a people must yield freedom in the face of these new "threats." It's as if people think that our time is somehow special, that we are confronted by an enemy like none other; and in the face of this, we must accept less than what a liberal, democratic republic could offer its people.
Such misery as we visit upon ourselves when we allow that we are too special to be granted freedom.
The Dark Wraith has rambled down the meandering river of thought.
And inspired me to once again trot out one of my most oft posted quotes:
Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
(credited to Benjamin Franklin)
- oddjob
Well, I guess this means I should not buy the
Brooklyn Bridge
and here I thought the guy trying to sell it to me was so sincere!!
The guy was being sincere, elf. Just as sincere as the guy who sold the American Electorate war, tax cuts, and God-fearing righteousness all for the low-low price of our freedom.
The Dark Wraith is checking to see if there's a money-back guarantee.
[Nope. Stupid foreign imports... Never should have bought something with a "Made in Germany" label.]
you give yourself not enough credit, O dark one.
i never for a moment thought you would endorse any sort of stock. i didn't even think it was a real pitch. my choices were, first, mischief by a troll. second, a joke by you, although i thought it well below your standard for humor. i allowed for the possibility that you had a humor-impaired moment.
i actually didn't consider that particular comment to be stupid, and i'll forego links to comments elsewhere that are at least ill-considered.
elf--there is some sort of show biz saying like "once you can fake sincerity you've got it made." seems to work in politics quite well too.
Good afternoon, Dark Wraith.
Did something happen to your archives?
I clicked on a couple and got this:
The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
Please try the following:
If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Open the www.dark-wraith.com home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
Click the Back button to try another link.
Click Search to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP 404 - File not found
Internet Explorer
Good afternoon, Old White Lady.
Fortunately, the archives are intact; it's just that those links aren't setting up the proper URLs. Don't worry: I'm working on it as part of a larger effort to create an internal search engine that will span the blog and the Message Board.
Thanks for mentioning it, though. It had gone to the back burner as a couple of other projects got in the way.
The Dark Wraith has always said, "A mother's work is never done."
From this A.M.s local rag:
"Gas is a 'loss leader'
A "loss leader" is an item for sale that is sold at a discounted price in order to get the customer to the place of business. The hope is the customer will then buy something else, so giddy are they at the great price they received on the loss leader, that they won't realize how much more they're paying for that something else".
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Good Morning, Dark Wraith,
The comment above mine, on the Dark Wraith forum, is another spamming jerk (probably the same one as last time), not an email spam! Just to let you know......and you can feel free to delete this message when you delete the spam.
I see SB Gypsy has noticed the "friend" who appears to have found your address, DW.
Feh!
(I wonder when they're going to start breathlessly bothering us about the overlooked serious profits to be made investing in pork belly futures!)
- oddjob
go egty ???
excuse my befuddlement, but
what the hell was that?
And why am I laughing?
DW, oh these people with such a sense of humor!!
Notice, my friends, how I've been politely ignoring this thread for a few days.
It seems I misplaced my sense of humor there for a while. Lord knows, I looked all over for it: I even looked in that old drawer with the label, "Illegal stock promotion scams that could get the Wraith tossed in the pen."
Fortunately, I found it again. The real kicker was that I got a spam e-mail promoting another penny stock that had a trading symbol almost identical to the one the moron tried to promote here. I did some investigation, and it appears that there are several related companies, all with similar trading symbols, involved in some kind of a promotional blitz.
Let me make it clear, though. I really don't smell a rat in the woodpile; instead, I smell a small, fetid, venomous snake in a cesspool.
God!
The Dark Wraith needs to quit talking about it before his sense of humor gets misplaced again.
And as a finishing comment to those who are trying to put these stock scams on The Dark Wraith Forums, here's my word and my promise:
Every one of you is getting your IP address tagged. You and the company you are promoting are being made the subject of complaints filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the securities regulators of the state of incorporation of the business and the state of the business's principal offices, as said offices are reported in your filings with the SEC or the NASD. Before being deleted, your comment will be screen captured for legal purposes.
Should you choose to put your promotional materials for any security whatsoever on this blog again, I will take legal action of my own against you. In that action, I will seek both compensatory and exemplary damages. Consider this your warning.
The Dark Wraith looks forward to what will come next.
Hey, they're branching out! I got EGTY-ed over on The Gypsy's Caravan...
Persistent little buggers, aren't they, SB Gypsy?
I swear, this is getting me excited: I haven't seen folks so dedicated to calling down securities regulatory fire in quite some time. I know it happens, but these folks are prodding at the very wrong end of the Blogosphere; and they don't seem to get it quite yet that, not only are they uninvited, but we know the phone number of Bouncers-R-Us.
The Dark Wraith will let everyone know in a timely manner about the status of a couple of complaints being filed.
I will be interested to learn if the SEC responds with anything more than a yawn.
- oddjob