The Written Peace:
Open Forum of May 31, 2005
In other matters, The Dark Wraith Forums wishes to welcome the host of Cognitive Dissonance, a thoroughly delicious blog that's part of a stellar cluster too often ignored in this part of the Blogosphere.
Some of you have read my beefs about how the giant, soufflé, graffiti blogs ignore Blogosphere Release 2.0. Well, it suddenly struck me very recently that a mainstream is building within Release 2.0, a dominant group of blogs that has some of the best and brightest you'd ever want to find. In some ways, Big Brass Blog is the embodiment of that excellent thing that is happening here in the Second Wave.
But The Dark Wraith Forums does not want to exclude the many extensions of the strong, radical soul at the heart of any meaningful antithesis. In no small part, I must thank Gretchen at The Green Lantern for pointing me, quite unintentionally, to paths that were right there in front of me had I spent even an ounce of energy looking.
A re-post link of the Dark Wraith's Analysis: Seven Principles of Macroeconomics appears in the current issue, hosted at the Fruits of Our Labour blog, of the Carnival of the Un-Capitalists.
And before I leave this entire subject, I must also welcome the several quiet visitors who have recently stopped by from Bella Ciao, a solid alternative source of all kinds of news.
On to minding other matters, the ever interesting Phoenician in a time of Romans tells me that this blog is coming up with nothing but unintelligible code in Firefox. I am doing everything I can to find a combination of settings that causes this to happen, but I have yet to encounter a structure that does the hurtful deed. In fact, I am now under the self-imposed rule that about a quarter of all my work here on this blog in terms of publishing new articles, responding to comments, and doing minor backroom editing is to be carried out in Firefox. This very post is being prepared in Firefox.
I need to hear from people using Firefox. Are you here? Are any of you having a Firefox loading problem with this blog? Have you had any occasion when the Website load took a bad turn that caused you to get a total or partial mess of code?
I swear, this whole Internet thing has been nothing but a headache ever since it started showing up on computers. Life was so much easier during the Ice Age: see mammoth, kill mammoth, eat mammoth. None of this download mammoth, test mammoth for malicious tusk code, ensure mammoth is cross-browser compatible, promote mammoth on search engine Websites, et cetera. Lordie!
Say something here on this Open Thread. Your comments don't have to be particularly witty or even on-topic, especially since there's not really any specific topic. Just hang out and share your wisdom here at The Dark Wraith Forums hotel lounge on this Tuesday night.
The Dark Wraith sweeps off the WELCOME mat.
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Firefox loads very quickly for me with no glitches.
Thank you for that, Peter of Lone Tree.
I had forgotten that you noted quite some time back that you're a Firefox user.
The Dark Wraith is somehow not surprised that Peter of Lone tree wouldn't want to have all Bill Gates products on his computer.
I use Firefox, and there is (almost) no problem.
The only slight weirdness is: at the very top, on the title bar (I think that's what it's called), the blue bar with the Firefox logo in it, the title includes the HTML tags. I suspect that it's not supposed to do that...
Other than that, everything is peachy.
dveej
The title bar, Dveej?!
Now, that's gotta be the weirdest thing I've heard. The title bar label is driven by a tag that goes in the meta-tag section at the very top of the source code, and that tag is just about the oldest HTML standard there is. It looks like this:
<title>The Dark Wraith Forums</title>
It really shouldn't matter where it's put in the meta-tag section; but traditionally, it goes right below or near the end of the main meta-tags. I'm going to move that title tag around a little bit over the next day or so. Let me know if the blog title shows up properly tomorrow at some point. I'm running Firefox right now, and I don't see any problem.
And that, Dveej, is what drives me absolutely bonkers: different computers running Firefox render the very same code differently. Phoenician can't even see this blog in Firefox, yet it sounds like many people can see it perfectly or almost perfectly. I'm going to go over to W3C's standards compliance site and run the code to see if it gets certified as W3C compliant. I haven't done this in a couple of months, so now's the time to see if I'm even in the right ballpark.
You must forgive me: such trivial matters as meta-tags are fascinating to some geeks because they're indicators of much deeper issues in the architecture of browsers and the servers that deliver the code to end users. Evem tiny little variations can point to much more important problems that might be rarely encountered, but that are quite severe when they are. There's a rather poorly known story about a tiny glitch in the way Windows 2000 and Windows XP cause an embedded controller's babbling to get picked up by older BIOS versions on just a few brands of laptops, which then frequently crash because the BIOS has no idea what the embedded controller is babbling about. (That embedded controller has been babbling since time immemorable, but the BIOS never heard its nonsense before Windows 2000.)
It is probably obvious to just about everyone here, now, that the Dark Wraith really, really needs to get a life.
Speaking of tags, I think that there's a minor issue with the link given above for Cognitive Dissonance- I use Firefox (and see The Dark-Wraith Forums without any trouble, thank you), and when I click on the link, my browser just opens a new window with the Dark Wraith Forums. The link for Cognitive Dissonance should be here
Let me know if this works.
Good evening, Dark Wraith - I noticed in the earlier thread, you mentioned a photo on Cognitive Dissonance that made you laugh. I did visit the site, yesterday, to see what was so funny. I had to laugh, too. So, I tried to click the link you have in the text of this Open Forum, but all I get is the Microsoft Internet Explorer window with the address saying "about:blank".
I clicked on Big Brass Blog and it says "The page cannot be displayed". The address says http://www.bigbrassblog/, but I think it needs .com at the end?
When I clicked The Green Lantern, it did come up. Ok, I guess that's all I had to say, right now. It's late and morning comes early.
ARRRGH! Not only am I an incompetent idiot, but there are actually people up at this hour to see me being a total ninny in all my glory.
The Dark Wraith has repaired the links.
Doesn't anyone ever go to bed anymore on this planet?
The Dark Wraith used to haunt the night in complete solitude.
So many blogs, so little time to browse them...
No, nobody goes to bed anymore. We all sit awake at night, for in these days of the American Imperium, dreams are nightmares that make one's evenings full of unease and fright, as we try to find something to fill the hole that is the death of the American Dream and the birth of some foul beast yet to be named.
Oh, you look fine in Firefox on Linux. I suspect only older Firefoxes would have problems.
- Badtux the Linux-using Penguin
I have to agree with badtux. That comment was just plan good!
The memo SHOULD lead to lasting political damage, possibly jail, but I don't believe it will.
- oddjob
Would that there was a Deep Throat now!!
- oddjob
Good morning, OddJob.
This Administration has figured out that leaks can be classified as breaches of national security. Also, leakers and reporters—actually, only the journalists who don't publish the leaked information—can be hunted like dogs by "special (although no longer independent) prosecutors" whose budgets are hidden. And finally, the government can shroud in secrecy virtually anything it cares to secure from the American people, and there just isn't enough money to legally challenge even a small fraction of these Soviet-style practices.
No Deep Throat, this time; only the slit throat of democracy.
The Dark Wraith cannot help but be in awe of how quickly the tide of this nation turned.
Finally, I hear from a penguin on this blog. BadTux, my affinity for Linux goes all the way back to my Unix days. The only time anymore that I get even a hint of a chance to keep those old skills up to date is when I have some fun in Linux.
I've been hearing rumors that Microsoft is going to roll out a Linux version of the Office Suite. Unfortunately, Corel tried to do that with WordPerfect a couple of years ago, partly in an effort to revitalized that once-towering giant of a word processor. I was so excited about that; but the whole project got dumped by Corel even before it had a chance to breath. Pity, that. If people saw how fast these modern computers smoke without all the Windows (and yes, Mac) services sucking the life out of the hardware, they wouldn't believe it.
Sadly, though, as I've said many times before,
It's Bill Gates's universe;
I'm just a hacker in it.
The Dark Wraith welcomes the Linux penguin.
Firefox 1.03 on Win2K, loads just fine, no problems.
Thank you, Paperwight. It looks like it is an older version of Firefox that's been having the problem. I found a previous version in one of my partitions, and I saw something like what Phoenician saw. I moved up one !DOC type, from Strict 1.0 to Transitional, and strangely enough the problem vanished.
I saw that MediaGirl was having fits recently with her new code, but the problem there was with Internet Explorer hanging to a fatal error. She got through it, but it looks like she had to back off one of her useful services to get Internet Explorer to see the blog without having a catastrophic error.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous, and we're going to have a crisis here if the standards organization, W3C, doesn't stop issuing promulgations that look like nothing but gobbledygook even to tech-savvy sorts.
The heat's going to be turned up when Microsoft goes to 7.0 on Internet Explorer: we'll see whether or not W3C is finally going to take HTML deprecation seriously. A whole lot of Websites are going to start looking pretty sad if Microsoft and Firefox finally put their money where their mouths are and stop recognizing a bunch of ancient HTML tags.
The Dark Wraith just can't wait to see that fun.
Any bloggers out there care to share a few pro and cons of using Firefox compared to Netscape?
Netscape: Slow, bloated, crashes all the time. Firefox: Fast, reasonably lean, almost impossible to crash (though I've managed it, but it takes a *lot* to crash it). Most new web applications are being written such that they no longer work with Netscape, eg. the GUI for my employer's new product requires either a recent IE or Mozilla 1.4 or above (i.e., Firefox).
I had rendering problems with early Firefox and went back to Mozilla 1.x for a while, but those problems appear to have been sorted out. I'm using Fedora Core 3 Linux kept up to date with 'yum', and when it updated my FireFox to 1.0.4 I quit using Mozilla because FireFox is more stable (e.g. the Acrobat plugin regularly crashed Mozilla, never crashes FireFox) and faster.
I use Firefox on Windows for the same reasons. Aside from being immune to the various browser exploits that afflict IE even when you update it regularly, it's faster and more stable and has tabbed browsing, which is really nice. I haven't needed to use IE for some time now, and really enjoy not having to subject myself to the terror of wondering whether the next page I click will subject me to some new unknown virus that my virus checker software doesn't know about.
- Badtux the Linux-using Penguin
i usually use safari to browse on my powerbook g4 running os x 10.3.9 and your site always looks great. i use firefox 1.0.3 for posting so i fired it up to look at your site and all looks good. i know---i'm late with this info. the cross platform and multiple browser stuff is frustrating, but at least microsoft doesn't get to rule everything.
Good Afternoon Dark Wraith,
I use firefox 1.2, and have never had a problem with your site, even when you said that my long html address ripped your columns,(sorry about that) it didn't in my browser.
~ we need more than deep throat to get us out of the shrubbery that we've been pushed into.
ouch, that scratches!
Good afternoon, all.
I was wondering: why do so many of you folks use browsers such as Firefox and Safari, when there is a very good chance you will not be able to view some of your favorite websites while doing so? Now, I know that Bill Gates is Satan incarnate, but damn him: IE actually works. I've yet to come accross a web page that isn't reasonably well rendered in IE.
I'm not asking this question to be facetious; I'm actually genuinely curious. Is there some awful flaw with IE that I'm not privy to? I've used it happily for years, and have never found a browser that I liked more, and yet so many people avoid it like the plague, or cross themselves at the mere mention of its name.
What's the deal?! Ya'll got me paranoid.
As a minor, technical note, I am spending time today and probably tomorrow and the day after that bringing the code for this blog into full XHTML compliance.
Ever since I started this blog, it's been sort of a mish-mash of mostly HTML compliance with some elements that were XHTML compliant. I need to get the matter dealt with so it doesn't turn into a worse problem as the former compliance standards cause more and more problems, particularly in modern browsers.
I am hopeful that none of my alterations will be at all noticeable, other than to possibly decrease the loading time slightly. If something is noticeable, it will be so in a very bad way, meaning I've made a mistake.
The Dark Wraith hopes he doesn't make any mistakes in getting this resolved.
Sorry, I am feeling a little frustrated thus I must weigh in a little.
Its hard for me when I escape into the lefty lovey blogosphere and feel everyone working to raise awareness and get removed from office to then head back into reality.
In my reality, it seems most people dont care that Bush lied about the War, they dont care about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, they dont care about Haliburton, and they dont care about the lines being blurred between Church and State.
I am begining to think that I am in the minority and that the rest of the country goes to NasCar races every week end, goes to Fundy Church on Sunday, and hates faggots all the day long.
Blondsense posted a story that has my head spining....A CBS poll states that 55% of Americans believe God created Humans as they are today......
I'll never be the same.
...sic: that should be "get Bush removed from office"
Sorry, I need to learn to proof read. I haven't learned in 32 years, I doubt I will learn soon, but I will tri.
Good afternoon, Mr. Shakes.
First with respect to Safari, that's a Mac versus Windows issue, and that gets into religion, which we try to avoid here at The Dark Wraith Forums. Safari is a nice browser, by the way: it's very similar in its rendering to Netscape, although it's not nearly as loaded down; but part of that has to do with the general speed advantage Macs have in certain tasks.
Now, there really is some basic desire to avoid Microsoft products when possible that motivates Firefox use, but that's only a minor part of the story. Firefox has several neat things it can do, probably the most attractive of which is the "tabbed browsing," something I cannot believe Internet Explorer never ripped off in more recent releases of IE. I am almost certain that Internet Explorer 7.0 will have something similar to tabbed browsing because Microsoft knows very well that the slow bleed of its Internet Explorer users, although not severe right now, will get really ugly over the next couple of years. Firefox is also blessed by not being so loaded down in code that it muscles away resources from other services.
On the downside, Firefox hasn't been hit by as many opportunistic viruses as Internet Explorer primarily because it is not used as much on the Web: writers of malicious code are going to go for the big herd and not for the sparse rabbits. That will change as Firefox gets more popular. Right now, Firefox has something north of a 10% share of the browser market, with well more than double that if you're talking about bloggers and their visitors, who tend to be much more savvy and willing to try something as an alternative to the Brand X Microsoft stuff. Over the next couple of years, I see Firefox moving toward an overall 30% share, and that should be enough to bring on some of the whackos out there who write destructive code just because their lives are otherwise so trivial. It appears that Firefox developers are getting the message that the time when their browser was safe on the Internet is coming to an end: recent security patches point to a growing awareness that Firefox is now no longer a curiosity of the intelligentsia, but instead a mainstream tool of those who use the Internet as an important, and perhaps pivotal, part of their lives.
As far as Netscape is concerned, it's not a good browser anymore. That having been said, it was for years the cream of the crop. I kept using it long after its glory days were over. Thank Bill Gates for destroying Netscape, and thank our wonderful system of justice in this country for letting Microsoft live fat from the fruits of what is likely the most consequential violations of anti-trust law in the history of the Republic. The anti-competitive activities of Microsoft in the 1990s forever shaped—and I would argue, materially diminished—the world of information technology.
You are correct. The recent versions of Internet Explorer are solid. The latest version of Firefox is very good from the user's perspective. From the Website developer's perspective, Firefox presents challenges because of arithmetic rendering curiosities and one particularly weird little glitch having to do with how it calculates the top of a page or a column. Supposedly, at least some of these are going to vanish in future releases of Firefox. I don't know that for sure, but it will make my life a lot easier when everyone is on the same page as far as precisely what happens when a specific cascading style sheet element is invoked.
The Dark Wraith looks forward to happy days ahead.
In my reality, it seems most people dont care that Bush lied about the War, they dont care about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, they dont care about Haliburton, and they dont care about the lines being blurred between Church and State.
Others may disagree, but I think at least part of this can be traced to the lack of compulsory service of some kind. Without that to remind people that we are in fact one country and that there is in fact a common good, belief and attendance to said good withers.
And war becomes nothing more than a spectator sport, so why not let the good times roll and the bombs drop so we can watch the real life video games and root for our side like it was a highschool football game?
And if that's all it is, why does it matter if the reasons it was started are totally bogus?
- oddjob
Well put, OddJob.
Very well put.
The Dark Wraith doesn't care for spectator sports.
We use Firefox 1.0.4 running on the XP OS and everything comes up fine here. For quite a while, I had an issue w/my own blog that IE users couldn't see it. Some things (avatars, for instance) won't render for me in Firefox on a couple boards I frequent, but will if I use IE. No clue why (as I am a computer geek by injection, not occupation).
A CBS poll states that 55% of Americans believe God created Humans as they are today......
A local CBS poll here today has 53% of people saying Deep Throat was "a villain", not a patriot. Wugh.
Count me another Firefox user. Page always loads fine. I keep sending your rants to my capitalist,real-setate speculative brother. No response yet
Good evening, Misty.
Thanks for letting me know what you've been experience not just here, but elsewhere. Awhile back—and I won't embarrass the blogger by mentioning his name—one of our fellow bloggers had been hounding me about my xml feed not working. I actually appreciated him telling me this over and over again as one attempt after another at a fix failed to resolve the issue.
Finally, I got the problem solved, so I figured I'd mention to him that his sidebar was loading to the bottom of his blog. The poor fellow sends me a quick response e-mail headlined "Now I'm the dumb one"! I laughed and laughed. The poor fellow was using Firefox, which does calculations of width differently from Internet Explorer, so he was seeing it just fine because he was doing the coding architecture in Firefox; but those dimension calculations just weren't right by Internet Explorer's rendering arithmetic.
He finally pitched the whole template and went with a new one. His site looks great now in IE and Firefox.
By the way, Misty, you have one of the most visually striking blogs in the Blogosphere. Going over there, I feel like I'm seeing another room in The Dark Wraith Forums.
For those of you who want to see a really dark and gorgeous site, go to Misty's blog, Expostulation for a visual treat. I swear, the colors of the fonts shouldn't work together with the black background, but they do.
The Dark Wraith always appreciates a dark site.
Hey, sheep farmer, welcome to The Dark Wraith Forums.
You might want to mention to your brother that one of my field specializations is real estate and urban studies. Under my real name, I even have a workbook of real estate investment case problems. (Okay, so it sells only a few dozen copies a semester, but still... at least I don't get royalties.)
Anyway, keep sending him my rants. Who knows? Maybe they'll soak in someday. Many have been the real estate speculators who've become raving communists in the wake of a real estate bubble bursting.
The Dark Wraith suspects that the number of speculators becoming communists might be what we call a lagging indicator of recession.
Wait a minute.
'rants'?!
Well, yes, I suppose so.
The Dark Wraith can live with that.
DW, FireFox 1.0.4, Win 2K; no issues loading/viewing at all.
As far as sleep, well, here on the other side of the world, it is 10:40AM LOL!
I do enjoy your "rants" and use the basics of them in a discussion group here. Especially helpful as I am an engineer and business owner who has a limited practical, but not a broad academic, knowledge of economics. I find the academic knowledge is much more useful in debating.
Cheers,
ExpatBratBKK
Good evening, ExPatBratBKK.
Thank you for the information.
Here in the USA, there's a term used in urban American English dialects for people who stay up all night and all day: we're called "clockers." The term used to be used exclusively for a type of dealer in illicit substances who runs his enterprise all day and all night because of the continuous flow of demand traffic; but I've heard the term used recently in a more general sense. When I was running a small, two-year school in an urban ghetto area in the Midwest, some of the students described friends who were in online chat rooms all night as "clockers."
Given that The Dark Wraith Forums has a good and global audience, it does seem useful to be a clocker here in this new century.
I just hope the coffee and the good company stay plentiful for the next hundred years... or at least until the American electorate gets its fill of this Age of Empire madness.
The Dark Wraith bids you well, ExPatBrat.
In my reality, it seems most people dont care that Bush lied about the War, they dont care about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, they dont care about Haliburton, and they dont care about the lines being blurred between Church and State.
Indeed. As long as it does not directly affect them and their get, it is irrelevant to their pointless lives of masticating and defecating and fornicating and replicating and accumulating shiny baubles of no import. And they're happy that way, because it means they don't have to trouble their mind with that aweful "thinking" stuff that might disturb their blissful complacency. Anything you tell these people that would cause them the slightest mental anguish or in any way disrupt their pointless little lives and require them to actually, like, DO something, they will automatically dismiss as untrue because they do not WANT to believe it. Truth, in their reality, means "that which I wish to believe." A lie, in their reality, means "that which I do not wish to believe."
Some say, "but that is not most people!" I say, yes, it is. If you do the math, 75% of voting-age Americans either agreed with the job that George W. Bush and voted for him, or had no problem with the job that George W. Bush is doing and didn't vote at all because it didn't matter to them. 75%, more or less, of Americans simply do not care. And I have no notion how to change that number, indeed, as with Nazi Germany which could survive only because the majority of Germans did not care, I suspect only a national disaster of enormous proportions, similar to the one which struck Germany in 1945, will ever cause these people to re-assess their position...
-- Badtux the Apocalyptic Penguin
Oh, regarding why I usually use Firefox rather than IE: 1) tabbed browsing. 2) no viruses (yet). 3) faster. 4) most pages look fine in Firefox. I will fire up IE to view the occasional bank web site or whatever that doesn't work with Firefox, but otherwise stay in Firefox when I'm on Windows.
- Badtux the Techie Penguin
Good evening, BadTux.
Your analysis of the American electorate is disturbingly accurate, if grim and depressing. This is the age of people who would prefer not to be bothered.
There are times when this ends, of course. We have seen it in this country, and we have seen it in the wanderings of history. Mass rage must be seized and fanned, for it lasts only a moment; but in that moment, those who care—those who cared before it was fashionable and acceptable to give a damn—may move future history's course.
It means, though, being cynical in that those who are strong enough to lead the people out of darkness when they are in that moment of willingness must necessarily understand that many, many of those people they are leading are the very same ones who were quite complacent long after they should not have been; and those masses will again become complacent long before they should.
The Dark Wraith is glad that you are commenting here, BadTux.
Site looks fine to me with Firefox 1.0.4 and Win98.
Mass rage must be seized and fanned, for it lasts only a moment; but in that moment, those who care—those who cared before it was fashionable and acceptable to give a damn—may move future history's course.
I am cynical enough to believe that when this tipping point is reached we must be vigilant. Those who wish to gain immense power are ever watchful for such moments in history. God help us if such a person steps forward at that time to lead the sheep.
Good morning Dark Wraith,
Thank you for the compliments on my site, they are appreciated.
This is the age of people who would prefer not to be bothered.
Ah, yes, the apathetic. They are the ones who enable the extreme minority that is chipping away at the country --and also are the biggest challenge for those of us who are trying to fight back.
I once had a conversation with a co-worker who was planning on moving to Florida. I mentioned that FL was one of the last places in the country I’d live in. She asked why. I replied because of the state’s stance on civil rights issues for gay people. Her response was: “Oh, well, it’s not like it affects me.” Given who I was talking to, I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised by the response, though it still disgusts me to this day. Another example, which I imagine is quite prevelant, are the people who are at least somewhat aware (if nothing else by the rantings of a friend) but just can’t seem to care or maybe they do care but are so entrenched in Daily Life of just trying to make ends meet and whatnot that they let apathy take over and become complacent. You often hear: “what’s the point of getting all worked up about it, it’s not like anything will change anyway”. When I hear that, Pastor Martin Niemoller’s famous words (the original verse) come to mind. The Apathetic are so wrapped up in Life that they can’t see that it is shit, not rain, falling from the sky, they just get an umbrella and think it’s par for the course.
Mass rage must be seized and fanned, for it lasts only a moment; but in that moment, those who care—those who cared before it was fashionable and acceptable to give a damn—may move future history's course.
Oh, I agree. I have to say, I'd enjoy seeing a massive protest outside the White House with thousands yelling:
"Bring me a Shrubbery!"
:-)
Good morning, Dark Wraith.
Thank you for the information regarding browsers. I almost always leave this website wiser than when I clicked in. Why, just the other day I was able to impress my boss by displaying an understanding of the equation of exchange! I will be sure to remind her of the relationship between M&Q at my next review.
So, I have downloaded Firefox. It is fast, but I am still having trouble controlling it with my thoughts.
Mr. Shakes reaches for his Russian phrasebook...
Good morning, Mr. Shakes.
You can't control Firefox with your thoughts.
Not without the WiFi wireless modem connector installed at the base of your brain.
The Dark Wraith prepares the drivers for installation.
The Dark Wraith wielding a cranial saw?
Mr. Shakes decides that sticking it out with the mouse might be the safest option.
Dear Dark Wraith,
....and hello all, always nice to see that there are others that are *awake*
In my reality, it seems most people dont care that Bush lied about the War, they dont care about Gitmo or Abu Ghraib, they dont care about Haliburton, and they dont care about the lines being blurred between Church and State.
I got a response from my loved ones recently - and the response was: "Yes, I know that it's important, and I know it's deplorable, but there's nothing *I* can do about it. I'm just one person."
...and that's the genius of the neo-cons, they have divided us very neatly, leaving everyone feeling exposed and alone and vulnerable.
They are willing to go to extreams to substantiate their vision. It's just too bad their vision is to make themselves rich while enslaving others.
so: will the deficit destroy them first, or us??
A few days old, but too good not to share.
- oddjob
Gypsy, if it gets bad enough they will stop saying that and start saying, "I don't care, I will do what I can even if it's trivial."
- oddjob
Oddjob, that cartoon about says it all.
Whistle-blowers
Buchanan, Liddy, North, et al. have never - ever - understood the rule of law!
- oddjob