Sunday, January 09, 2005

Analysis:
Prologue to the Book of Consequences

For several decades, neo-conservative and other radical economists stayed in the back hallways of academia and Rightist think tanks. In the first half of the 1980s, they had a moment in the political sun, and the practical application of their models was found to be worse than disastrous: the models turned out to be useful only to advance other agenda. In an interview with Bill Greider, Ronald Reagan's Budget Director, David Stockman, explained that no one in the Administration really believed in the Laffer curve effect; the Republican politicians' claim that federal tax revenues would increase if marginal tax rates were cut was just a ruse to starve the federal government of revenues to the end of forcing huge, program-killing cuts in domestic social programs the Right wing of the Republican Party so desperately, and for so long, had wanted.

Not only did the Reagan Administration not think neo-conservative economists' theories would work, they were counting on them not working. And the bet was right on the money: budget deficits during the Reagan years soared, and no perceptible Laffer curve effect was ever observed (although to this day one can find the occasional neo-conservative torturing some pile of innocent data just to get an article published in an obscure journal).

But, driven from the public eye for a time, the neo-cons have finally found a way back; and this time, they'll be much more difficult to chase away in a dignified manner.

The sad truth in economics is apparently that old, repudiated, disgraced theories don't die; instead, they lie dormant, seething in the minds of people waiting for another day when the political sunlight will fall upon their kind. This time, though, the radicals of Republicanism have built a new immune system that will guard them in the short and the intermediate terms against the intense vulnerability of their theories to realities of both the laws of economics and the rules of political gamesmanship.

The calculus of where the economy is headed is quite simple. Mainstream news media outlets bend over backwards to avoid appearing biased, so they avoid describing the future consequences of current political actions, even though the consequences are governed by rock-solid principles of economics and finance that are not open to disagreement among the learnéd. Unfortunately, the neo-conservatives have made a craft of disputing the indisputable, giving observers an impression of debate where none exists.

This is the same strategy used by fundamentalist Christians to present an illusion of controversy regarding evolution. There is, in fact, no controversy at all: evolution is a factual process that governs the descent of living organisms from previous, living organisms. Understanding of the mechanics of how evolution happens is the subject of intense and continuing scientific inquiry and debate; and a similarly intense, scientific inquiry is underway in theoretical and empirical economics to mathematically model and establish the exact parameters governing the micro- and macroeconomic behaviors of economic agents. This is good, solid work; and it has been going on for a long time. It is unglamorous, but it is the important grunt work that makes theory robust and (more importantly) highly useful.

Fundamentalists of the Christian faith do not see an essential need for scientific inquiry. The Holy Bible, in the book of Genesis, sets forth the way in which the world and its creatures came to be. Science in the pursuit of origins is unnecessary, and evidence is to them as a light post is to a drunk: there for support rather than illumination. And so it is with the neo-conservative economists. The data is only as reliable as it supports their unsavory theories. Evidence, overwhelming as it is, that the policy implications have economically dire, completely unavoidable, and socially destructive effects are, at best, a competing idea, and more likely, merely an opinion held by the old-fashioned (read that, "Keynesian") crowd.

Shout down the opposition when necessary; hide within the sanctuaries of your own kind as much as possible; and press your advantage through politicians craven for a constituency, a contribution, and an excuse.


Understanding the economics of what is happening and the grim ends to which it will lead isn't all that difficult.

Interest rates are the price of money. Some of that money—actually, a whole lot of that money—is available for lending. This is the supply of lendable funds market.

On the other side are lots and lots of different economic agents—households, businesses, non-profit organizations, school districts, towns, cities, states, nations, quasi-governmental agencies—that want some of that money. This is the demand for lendable funds market.

If the Federal Reserve stops printing as much money as it used to, the supply of lendable funds will shrink. Whenever just about anything is less plentiful, its price will go up, especially if it's something that everyone wants. So, when the supply of lendable funds contracts, the price of those lendable funds—interest rates—rises.

Now, on the other side of the market, if one of those many economic agents that want lendable funds becomes terribly greedy, then the demand for lendable funds will increase. Like most goods and services, if something like borrowed money gets really popular, its price should go up.

[Ah, but wait a minute! When computers got really popular, their price went down! Yes, but that was because the expected profitability of making computers drew competitors to enter the market, which caused supply to increase rapidly, pushing prices lower. Also, in the case of computers, the technology for building them got more and more efficient, so the cost savings were being passed along to consumers by the aggressively competitive entrants to the supply side. With money, there's only one manufacturer, the Federal Reserve (as the agent of the U.S. Treasury), so no competitive force exists to push supply outward when the Fed wants to push it the other way.]

So, the supply of lendable funds is contracting, which pushes interest rates up; and the demand for lendable funds is rising, which also pushes interest rates up. Put those two together, and the result is obvious: interest rates will go up.

Now, here's the bad part. People and businesses are not stupid: when something becomes more expensive, they'll demand a smaller quantity of it to the extent that they possibly can. But the federal government doesn't work that way: it will pay whatever it must to get the lendable funds it needs. So while the rest of the country backs off borrowing money, the federal government will just keep borrowing and borrowing as long as it has projects for which it wants money it doesn't have.

For the current year, the federal government will need to borrow about $440 billion dollars to pay the excess of its expenditures over the tax revenues it collects. Next year, it will need to borrow a similarly large amount of money for the same reason.

And above all of these federal deficits that the Bush Administration has been racking up, the government now says that it will need a whole lot of money besides this to pay for the partial privatization of Social Security. How much is a 'whole lot'?

Try maybe two trillion dollars. That's right: $2,000,000,000,000!

Now, put the economics together.

  • The supply of lendable funds is being reigned in by the Federal Reserve. That drives interest rates up.
  • The demand for lendable funds is pushing outward because the federal government simply must pay its bills, and it is hundreds of billions of dollars short every year. That drives interest rates up.
  • The demand for lendable funds is about to go into the stratosphere because of a special need for another $2 trillion. That will drive interest rates up.
So, where are interest rates going? Here's a hint: UP!

Finally, what do people and businesses in the normal world do when the price of anything goes up? Why, they want less of it, of course.

People will want less borrowed money for cars, refrigerators, vacations, new homes, old homes, additions to their existing homes, new false teeth, elective surgeries, and all kinds of other things that borrowed money can buy in the here and now. And with interest rates being high, any extra income won't fill the gap of consumer purchases. No siree: high interest rates mean that money put in the bank is a better deal than money spent on new goods and services.

And businesses will want less borrowed money for working capital management, for research and development, for capital improvements, for new buildings, new restaurants, new shopping malls, new advertising campaigns, etc. And with interest rates being high, profits won't fill the gap of investment. No siree. High interest rates mean that money put in the bank is a better deal than money invested in new plant and equipment.

By the way, the last sentence in each of those last two paragraphs is the gist of an old adage about how saving money is an individual virtue but a collective catastrophe in a consumer society such as ours.

And all of this is not disputable. It is the way the world of rational economic agents works, and it will come about, now. The neo-conservatives can deny the principles of economics all they want—they can have their political thugs bully and intimidate reasoned voices into silence; they can make the mainstream media's untrained journalists think there are different possible outcomes, some of which are favorable—but that changes nothing about what will really happen. All it changes is how long it will take before voters finally put the antecedent of bad economic theory together with the inevitable consequence of bad economic times.

That, of course, means two things: first, the economy will get a lot worse; and second, the neo-conservative radicals this time will enjoy the limelight for a bit longer before they are rightfully blamed and ridden out of town on a rail.

Of course, given their track record over the past several decades, they should know their own way out of town by now.




The Dark Wraith has spoken.

<< 35 Comments Total
 Joseph blogged...

Hi DW,

I've read carefully what you wrote. Do you dare to try and predict the "time line" in which the developments you anticipate will unfold? How long will it take and when it happens how fast will they get "expelled out of town"?

Thank you... and I keep enjoying the alterations you are still implementing in the site...

Sun Jan 09, 11:26:48 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, Joseph.

Thank you for noticing the modifications to the thread. Small as they are, each one takes quite awhile to construct, install, debug, re-install, debug again, etc. Doing this is a labor of love as much as it is just another of the curses of an obsessive personality.

A major addition will come sometime this week, I hope, when I start running polls here on the blog. The results of the polls (when they are serious ones) will be sent to Senators and Representatives in Washington, D.C., to let them know that The Dark Wraith Forums can run biased, unscientific polls just as well as CNN.com can. The difference, of course, is I shall make no bones about running the polls to increase the number of visitors to this blog.

Now, to your questions. I'm going to lay out a bunch of preliminary observations, first; and this pre-amble ramble is to the end of making it clear that what we see here in the United States, these days, is not in many ways what is really going on. The laws of economics haven't changed one bit, despite what some silly neo-cons and fundamentalist radicals believe in their power-drunk haze; but the veneer of illusion they are creating for the news media to pump is downright maddening (and admirable, speaking as one who enjoys a good passion play every now and then).

One important sign of "recession" in official measures is the unemployment rate; but that isn't going to go up significantly because people working any amount of time at all are counted as "employed," and many people who are losing jobs are still managing to work a few hours a week somewhere. This annoying little curiosity, in my judgment, has already been masking a deteriorating employment situation in the U.S. for some months. The welfare system has all but vanished in this country, and unemployment benefits just aren't available to many, many people who lose their jobs. That leaves people to scramble as best they can to find something, anything, to keep from going under. Sadly, much of what I know is anecdotal: the numbers to support this are hard to come by, and the federal government has been reducing the amount of data it collects, as well as the types of data it disseminates, over the past couple of years.

Other parts of the calculus are going to be frustrated, as well, for various reasons. One of my favorite measures of looming recession, inventory buildups, just isn't very good, anymore, because computerized inventory control systems in so many medium and large business have made excessive inventories very unlikely to occur in the way and to the extent they used to as recessions approached.

Because of the way the numbers are being collected, calculated, and promoted, the "official" start of the recession will be postponed by at least one quarter, and possibly two, from when it really begins.

When will it really begin? I mentioned this quite some time back, but it appears to me that the United States economy is going to drift right on the edge of a "tipping point" until mid-Summer: after that, it will drop rapidly into "offical" recession, likely toward the end of the third quarter. By that time, some of the inflationary pressures caused by the Federal Reserve's last four years of printing money will come home to roost, so the Fed won't be able to bring real interest rates down at all to stop the skid. Besides, the Fed can't defy market interest rate trends, which will continue to push rates north for the foreseeable future.

The good news about those rising interest rates is that they will mitigate, at least to some extent, Congress' appetite for grandiose schemes involving Social Security and the government borrowing trillions to partially privatize it. Especially the U.S. Senate—where rather cooler heads sometimes prevail—won't be all that excited about a borrowing plan that everyone but the radical neo-conservative economists will be describing as a rocket launcher for interest rates, which will already be in recession-inducing territory.

As far as the length of the recession is concerned, political forces will make the numbers appear to indicate its end within a couple of quarters: probably in the second quarter of 2006. However, the actual recessionary pressures will still be in place into the 2006 mid-term Elections in November, and this will be bad, but not dire, news for the Republicans.

I have a bad feeling that the numbers will be manipulated in such a way that the White House can claim that the recession is nothing but an "economic pause," a euphemism coined several decades ago. I don't think that a whole lot of economists will go along with that description, particularly because the signs of recession will be hard to avoid, but the news media might buy into it for a while. If the White House is lucky, the newscasters and journalists will call it an economic pause until it's over with.

I shouldn't be quite that harsh, but I cannot help but be less than charitable to a mainstream American news media that stands by as a runaway freight train roars past while the reporters all exclaim, "Boy, lookit that choo-choo roll!"

•  Recession begins: third quarter, 2005.
•  Depth: moderate to moderately severe.
•  Recession ends: fourth quarter, 2006.
•  Recovery phase: four to six quarters.
•  Expansion phase strength: moderate to moderately weak.
•  Political consequences: neo-cons will be shot, moderate Democrats and Republicans will be in vogue.
•  Social consequences: Closet progressives will start coming out of the woodwork to swear to God they voted for Kerry.
•  Miscellaneous stuff: Nasty, nasty geo-political situation will arise by late Summer that Bush will try like the dickens to step around while looking really tough.
•  Blog consequences: The Dark Wraith Forums will still be around, with understated yet deeply affective nuances of quality craftsmanship, in addition to the most long-winded, rambling posts on the Internet, all written by a pompous ass of a blog host whose nose is crooked and whose breath smells of Spam sandwiches and really strong coffee.




The Dark Wraith has said enough.









Oh, wait: I forgot to say that I was just kidding about the neo-cons being shot.

They won't be. Firearms aren't allowed in the Capitol Building.

They'll be hanged.




Now, the Dark Wraith has said enough.

Mon Jan 10, 12:47:49 AM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

Dark Wraith, regarding evolution, I think some of the left of liberal trains of thought on this subject have been dissonant within the walls of Christianity, and there might be a good reason for that.

But without getting into the spiritual implications, I think I may have an answer why the Administration is hotly against evolution for other than spiritual reasons.

Assume with me that "conservative" means constant, reliable, cautious, and the kind. For an administration that calls itself conservative, endorsed by churches that call themselves conservative, you would think that they would be less conducive to change.
The rituals may have stayed the same, the preserving of the status quo may have stayed the same, but policy has radically altered (or maybe, at this point, manifested). Like inflation, the constant of change has been embedded into our psyches so much that the very organizations we associate with bulwark steadfastness are actually agents of change.

One reason the Administration and its marionette churches are fighting hard to keep evolution out of education is because a child might learn all about adaptation techniques: For example, if you place a frog directly into a pan of boiling water, he will jump out instantly; but if you put him in a pan of water and gradually turn up the heat, he will adapt to the heat and not realize the danger that he's being boiled alive.

As long as the debate is framed only by left of liberals and neo-cons, the discourse on evolution will go nowhere; meanwhile, the Administration can take advantage of the distraction of the polemical arguments, slip in a fast one and morph into whatever creature it deems convenient at the time, hoping no one is studying evolution at the time to see what is happening to such a conservative creature.

wiseguy

Mon Jan 10, 03:19:47 AM EST  
 Joseph blogged...

Well DW, first of all thank you very much for the answer and the analysis you made. Even if there are bad news you make them enjoyable to read. And about me noticing the changes in the blog I really understand your position and even being quiet I am around, reading and noticing what happens... besides I know how important it can be to have a word about our work, even if some things seem implicit and we usually don't talk about them.

Well, I have some other question for you (even if there are a lot of "unpredictables" going around), after reading what you wrote and the time line. But for starters I enjoyed the part about people who will swear to God that they voted Kerry and I'm guessing a lot more dropping support from Bush (in this occasion won't the Ohio phantom surface?)... THAT will be quite funny to see... Now about the question: it seems Bush will be a National lame duck President due mainly to the hole he created and where he is getting into... but when I read the "Miscellaneous stuff" can we assume that Bush will try to be a "loose cannon" on the International Field to try and divert attentions? What weight will have your national economy, the congress, etc., in refraining his desire to do so, if he will want to do so? Ah, by the way... is Rove one of the people who will be hanged? NEED SOME ROPE???????????????? I'll give it for FREE!

Mon Jan 10, 03:24:03 AM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good morning, Wise Guy.

A great deal of reasoning resides in your words. I call myself "conservative," but in no way am I one of the breed that so labels itself in these times. You will note that, over and over again, I refer to the current holders of power as "radicals"; and that is because they are.

By the time young people are in college, their underlying thought processes are hard to change. When I have taught younger children, I have always been struck by how much some of them can be affected by what they learn, by how their teachers think, and by all that is going on in their immediate surroundings. As they get older, they become less affected by their immediate environment, and they become slightly more affected by their extended environment.

Teaching children about the evolution of living creatures causes them to see the world in a way that is important for them to understand. It allows them to understand that life, itself, is about change, not all of it desirable, to be sure, but all of it inevitable.

Those among them who attend church might or might not have such an opportunity to learn about the constancy of change in the spiritual sense. Although the Holy Bible is a long, long story of change and passages, that underlying message runs counter, particularly in the Old Testament, to the philosophical position taken by most of the writers, who constructed a narrative of cycles, especially with regard to the ebb and flow of the Jews' closeness to God.

By the time of Jesus, the occupations by the Greeks and then by the Romans had propelled a strongly messianic vision within many; but, again, this was not cast as a hope for change so much as it was cast as a hope for return. The Zealots who kept company with Jesus didn't want something new; they wanted something old (or, at least, they thought they did). Although, odd as it may seem, some Zealots stuck by Jesus, the Pharisees, being not much less messianic, became wildly unimpressed with His refusal to be clear and immediate in providing a solution to the matters of concern to them. (In other words, Jesus was just being a good, stable, and stubborn rabbi.)

So it is with the radicals of our time: they want change, but they want it to the end of return. Moreover, they want it in the world around them rather than in the world within them. The Jesus that bids a man to look into his own heart has no place in a world where the Romans of modernity—the liberals, the secular humanists, the atheists, the scientists, the Leftists, the socialists, the communists, the homosexuals, the abortionists, the one-worlders, the feminists, and all the others—have come through the walls of the city and occupied the places of position and power.

No wonder these new Pharisees have no patience for the classical conservatives. The time is now to strike, to return—if need be, through the gates of Armageddon—to the arms of the God of old.

As such, these radicals simply cannot countenance the teaching of things like evolution, for in a world like that, things really do pass from this Earth forever, giving way as they must to new things, to new ways, to new ideas, and perhaps even to new Gods.

To the radicals of the Christian Right, that simply cannot be allowed to happen; and children certainly cannot be allowed to know that it must happen.

And so it is among the first orders of business for the radicals of the New American Christianity to silence the Scribes who would speak honestly to the children.




The Dark Wraith has written.

Mon Jan 10, 09:33:32 AM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

And so it is among the first orders of business for the radicals of the New American Christianity to silence the Scribes who would speak honestly to the children.

And that is perhaps the most damning of all the negative traits of this particular, and particularly popular, strain of American Protestant Christianity. It is a religion threatened by the communication of certain kinds of truth.

In its way it calls to mind the difficulties Gallileo faced, difficulties in passing along information that was indeed correct, as has finally been - formally - acknowledged only within the last decade by the pontiff now occupying the position.

- oddjob

Mon Jan 10, 09:43:59 AM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good morning, Joseph.

The second term of the Reagan Administration was marked by a serious turn to moderation as the graybeards of the Old Republican Guard got their hands on Reagan's lapels and explained to him that the likes of men of the ilk of Ollie North, John Poindexter, and other nutjobs needed to be kicked out. To Reagan's credit, he got the message, and the wilder (and truly weirder) adventurism of the early 1980s to a large extent vanished (as did the propensity for cutting taxes that couldn't be matched by spending cuts). Unfortunately, reverberations from the Iran-Contra fiasco and several other, lesser-known affairs continued to have fallout even into the George H. W. Bush Administration.

My reading of inside tea leaves tells me that a similar effort seemed to have gotten started for Mr. Bush, with a small cluster of "moderate" Republicans trying to put Mr. Bush on notice that he needs to lay off the unrelenting cowboy act and start behaving like a serious President.

The bad thing is that, this time, it's not working. How do I know that? Because we're hearing a little about it. Those somewhat more "moderate" Republicans (McCain, Hagel, etc.) have been sending signals through the news media that they want more responsible behavior from the White House. If they really and truly had the ear of the Administration, they wouldn't be making a sound out where the Democrat dogs and the unwashed masses could be listening.

The problem is that the current cloister of graybeards doesn't yet have any lever on the Administration. No scandals, no nothing. (And ridiculous budget deficits don't count for squat, these days, as a point of departure).

That creates a problem, because it allows Bush and his very radical instigators to keep pushing wholly irresponsible activities, both domestically and abroad. And they'll keep doing stupid things even for a while after the first of several major scandals breaks later this year. (The scandals won't be "scandals" for some months after they start to get their press legs.)

This means that the friskier folks in the White are going to see an opening for another bit of fun this year, and their going to seize the opportunity. It will be only somewhat later that they realize the opening they thought would lead to a minor adventure will turn out to be one of the side doors into Hell.

And all of us other Americans—you know, the ones who keep saying, 'ARE YOU PEOPLE NUTS GOING IN THERE?!'—will get to go in there right along with the Bush Administration's suicide jockeys.

I'm sure we'll find a way to lose the neo-cons in one of the side passages of the trail into Hades; but the real trick, of course, will then be trying to find our own way out.



The Dark Wraith prepares some bread crumbs for the trail.

Mon Jan 10, 10:35:19 AM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

Are you musing upon a "splendid little war" in Iran, or maybe Syria?

And since we're on the topic, I note this resurrection of Reagan nuttiness (only in a far worse guise) on ShortNews below.

Don't they ever learn anything ???

- oddjob

Mon Jan 10, 11:00:53 AM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good afternoon, OddJob.

The short answer to that question is "No."

The long answer to that question is "Of course not."



The Dark Wraith offers all the options.

Mon Jan 10, 04:57:53 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good afternoon, Joseph.

Since you have been astute in noticing changes—some of them subtle—in the blog's appearance and functionality, here's one for you.

A few minutes ago, I did something very subtle but pretty cool. It is not so much a feature of functionality as it is something for the aesthetics of the site.

It is so subtle that, at first, no one will even notice it; however, once it is noticed, it will always be noted. In fact, later I shall even tell you a way to make the little artistic thing I did have the quality of a permanent reminder.

What did I do?

And anyone else may offer the answer in if he or she wishes.

No hints, yet; but if no one has found it by tonight, I shall then give a hint or two.



The Dark Wraith awaits the astute eye.

Mon Jan 10, 05:05:54 PM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

The doubled frame border around the title at the top of the page?

- oddjob

Mon Jan 10, 05:29:08 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, OddJob.

No, that's been there all along. (The border is so subtle, I shall acknowledge, that it's visible at the conscious level only if you're actually looking for it sometimes.)

Good try, though.



The Dark Wraith still awaits.

Mon Jan 10, 05:44:59 PM EST  
 My Pet Goat blogged...

The URL address line and bookmarks in my browser now shows your icon. Looks suspiously like a ram facing left with large horns.

Mon Jan 10, 06:33:54 PM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

My Pet Goat has selected my 2nd guess (yes, I realize the comment is post facto (post bloggo?), so moot....)

- oddjob

Mon Jan 10, 06:38:28 PM EST  
 Joseph blogged...

Hi DW,

I'm not at my usual computer so it makes it harder to me notice new changes... but at least I'll give it a shot right now... maybe later I'll give it another try if I don't get it right. You have been "playing" with the logo of the site, which is new, including it in some parts of the site and also with the shadowing in the top of the site. Does it have something to do with that? If not, later and in my regular computer I'll give it another try...

Mon Jan 10, 06:39:03 PM EST  
 My Pet Goat blogged...

How long has the date been attached to the time stamp of a post?

Mon Jan 10, 08:44:13 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, all.

Mr. Goat hit the nail on the proverbial head. The "DW" logo now shows up in the URL ("Web Address") bar, and it should also be showing up (once you're online) in the bookmark. (If it isn't showing on the bookmark, just delete the entry, then bookmark the site anew.)

Not bad, Mr. Goat. You forestalled OddJob's successful solution to the puzzle; and that, by the way, constitutes, in my judgment, blogus interruptus.

Rough sport, this blogging. Too rough, sometimes.

Especially the part about the Wampum site not even mentioning The Dark Wraith Forums as qualifying for Best New Blog of 2004.

SNORT.Oh, well. The fame would probably have turned my head, anyway. (Yeah, yeah: with any luck, maybe even far enough to wring my neck.)


The Dark Wraith copes with the obscurity.
['Blogus interruptus'?!]

Mon Jan 10, 08:45:23 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

And while I was posting that last comment, Mr. Goat catches another little thing I added just a day or two ago: the date stamp on each comment.

I didn't think anyone would ever even bother to notice something that minor.

Good Lord, Goat.



The Dark Wraith is going to have to think of something to add that will completely escape this crowd.

Mon Jan 10, 08:50:54 PM EST  
 My Pet Goat blogged...

That is what happens when I'm gone for a bit; things that are different sometimes jump out. To that end, somebody else can call the next change. After all, I wouldn't want to be referred to as a blog hogg.

Mon Jan 10, 09:10:14 PM EST  
 Anonymous blogged...

I admit to missing the date/time stamp, but thank you for adding it. I requested something along those lines just two or three days after you first hung your shingle.

I would also suggest some kind of "open forum" post periodically. That may stimulate others to post who normally would not. It could be a place where people could comment upon whatever, or ask questions that aren't a part of the posted topics. While you yourself may not especially care if someone posts OT in a discussion thread, you may find others are more reluctant to do so. An open forum thread may alleviate such reluctance, encouraging wider participation by lurkers.

- oddjob

Mon Jan 10, 09:12:35 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, OddJob.

I think I am finally in agreement with you about open forums. From my previous experiences with message boards, both as a participant and as a moderator, I had been somewhat reticent to do that because unchartered threads have a tendency sometimes to spin out of control; and I want to maintain a certain focus on The Dark Wraith Forums, not so much in subject matter, but more in terms of the level of thought that goes into comments.

(This is, of course, coming from the fool who, himself, posts comments about eating Spam, mind you.)

Although I am more than impressed by the success of AMERICAblog in terms of garnering huge numbers of hits, I am less impressed with the cacaphony that sometimes overruns the comments of intelligent people, there. I have seen posts of yours over there that were intelligent, insightful, and worthy of extended discussion; but right after your posts go up—BOOM!—on the thread rolls to a string of mostly disconnected comments about completely different matters... and your words are left by the side of the trail.

I am sure that Mr. Goat, Wise Guy, Cam, and Joseph were making really good comments over there; however, I know this mainly because each of them, in his or her own way, is making profoundly intelligent posts here on The Dark Wraith Forums. Whatever it was they said over there was getting washed down in a sea of craziness.

Ditto for LindiBee and for Lorri and for Gary. And now that I have carefully read the posts of some of the other bloggers over there, I realize that there is a whole subset of strikingly intelligent people not being heard, and a whole different (and smaller) subset of people who don't have a lot to say, but who keep flogging that blog until they are the ones to whom many pay attention.



All of that having been said, I should be paying attention to my own words in this matter. Although The Dark Wraith Forums stands primarily as a NewsBlog, in the sidebar, under the heading Blog Marginalia, one of the links is to the "Policies" document of The Dark Wraith Forums. In that document, I make it quite clear that the decorum of this Weblog—of any Weblog—flows from the decorum the Administrator maintains in his own words on the blog.

I should listen to myself more often. Once in a while, I actually say something to which I should pay attention.




The Dark Wraith prepares for open forums here on the blog.

Mon Jan 10, 10:05:21 PM EST  
 Joseph blogged...

Well DW, it seems the Goat got the best of me, but it also seems that I was close in my hypothesis... but the truth is I couldn't find out about what I can't see... and that "detail" you added I really can't see, and this time I'm in my regular computer.

Mon Jan 10, 11:07:55 PM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good evening, Joseph.

The problem might go away as soon as you close your browser and re-open it.

If that doesn't work, I'll be interested in what browser and what operating system you're using.



The Dark Wraith is concerned.

Mon Jan 10, 11:18:24 PM EST  
 Joseph blogged...

Hi DW,

I'm using the Windows XP and I use the Internet Explorer 6.0. I did what you say: restarted the browser, but nothing changed. However I tried another thing after that: since I've got the Firefox in my computer I used it for a change and with that browser the logo appeared in my address bar...

Tue Jan 11, 05:25:22 AM EST  
 Dark Wraith blogged...

Good morning, Joseph.

Firefox worked?! I've been having real headaches getting Firefox to render my pages properly! It's been giving me fits in terms of the inheritance of certain properties by the children of parent statements in my cascading style sheets.

Lately, I've had the same kinds of long nights I used to have when I would try to get Netscape to display really cool javascript tricks that worked perfectly in Internet Explorer. That frustration finally ended when I decided (as other Web designers had concluded long before) that Web pages are just going to look different on different browsers. Sticking as closely as possible to the so-called "W3C" standards helps a lot for HTML, XML, and CSS; but that doesn't solve everything.

I must say that I am a little bothered that you're running the currently standard platform (Windows XP) and browser (IE 6), but you still cannot see something that should be visible. I'll need to think about that for a while. It's obviously something I've done wrong in the coding.

I should point out here that having an obsessive streak is not a desirable trait if one wants to spend much time away from a computer. These confounded things are the greatest invention since the Rubic's Cube for people who like endlessly maddening puzzles. The only difference is that, once a Rubic's Cube is solved, the person having done so can put it away and forget about it; with computer programming, on the other hand, there's always another vexing problem that can come to mind.


The Dark Wraith should learn how to leave well enough alone.

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